You Can Train Yourself to LIVE IN HELL | The MJ38 Show #144

What if some of the hell people experience isn't only happening to them—but being reinforced by the way they respond to it?

In this episode of The MJ38 Show, Matthew and Justin explore the connection between attention, anger, complaining, gratitude, maturity, parenting, faith, culture, and the reality we gradually create through repeated patterns of thought and behavior.

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The conversation begins after seeing Forrest Frank live, including the energy surrounding his music, his transition from Surfaces, the creativity behind his performances, and why he seems so deeply aligned with the work he is doing.

That leads into a larger question:

Why do some people seem to radiate beauty, peace, creativity, and purpose—while other people seem to carry frustration everywhere they go?

From there, the conversation moves into workplace culture, constant complaining, resentment, neuroticism, childhood behavior, generational patterns, emotional regulation, Jordan Peterson's ideas about anger, spiritual warfare, forgiveness, parenting, and what it actually means to mature.

When something doesn't go your way, what happens next?

Do you experience the frustration and move forward?

Or do you rehearse it, talk about it, strengthen it, and eventually build a personality around finding what's wrong?


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The hosts explore whether anger can become emotionally rewarding, whether negative attitudes can spread through families, why toddlers reveal something fundamental about human desire, and why adulthood may largely be learning how to experience disappointment without allowing disappointment to control your behavior.

The episode also asks what parents understand that children cannot yet see—and whether that relationship offers a useful way to think about humanity's relationship with God.

Because maybe your attention is never neutral.

Every complaint reinforces something.

Every act of gratitude reinforces something.

Every song communicates something.

Every piece of art communicates something.

Every way you treat another person contributes something to the environment around you.

The question becomes:

What are you training yourself—and everyone around you—to see?


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Topics include:

Forrest Frank live
Forrest Frank and Surfaces
Christian music and modern culture
Creativity and spiritual alignment
Philip Anthony Mitchell
Jordan Peterson on anger
Why people complain
The psychology of negativity
Anger and emotional reward
Victim mentality
Workplace culture
Generational behavior
Parenting and emotional development
Toddlers and free will
Masculinity and emotional maturity
Forgiveness
Spiritual warfare
Cain and Abel
Faith and responsibility
Gratitude versus nihilism
How attention shapes perception
Modern psychology and spirituality
Meaning and self-improvement

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:10

And welcome back in another episode of the MJ38 Show 144, Matthew and Justin talking about life, culture, philosophy, current events, NFL, life itself. Deep, metaphysical, physical, abstract, tangible, things in life. Through a Christian lens. Hopefully your life's going well. Warming the waters for you in this hour and a half, whatever the time frame that we got here. Hopefully it'll make your existence a little bit brighter, you know? A little bit sweeter. A little bit warmer, a little more comforting. If you need the warmth and the freeze, we got you, hopefully. And if you need some some cool in the heat, we got you. That's what we're trying to provide.

SPEAKER_03 0:48

God willing.

SPEAKER_02 0:48

God willing. And all the time. God is good. God is good.

SPEAKER_03 0:52

All the time.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

Every time. We'll just jump into some prayer real quick. You want to lead us in some prayer and we'll hit some life notes and just things to talk about, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:00

Absolutely. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:02

Let's go.

SPEAKER_04 1:04

Dear Father God, thank you for this opportunity and time and space to get to hang out with Justin and do a podcast. And thank you for all the listeners. As you enrich their life, bless their life. That you give them a wide, open, visible avenue for them to take one step closer to you today. Do that for me too, please. I'm trying my hardest. And I know everybody feels like they're trying their hardest to pursue you, but we get in our own way so much it's ridiculous. So sometimes I'm asking you to help us move us out of the way so that we can get closer to you. Help this podcast to be a place where people can do that. Please protect us from distracted thoughts, from losing it when we're getting to the bottom of the breadcrumbs and feeling like we're finding a thought that's going to give us a peace that comes from you, that's direct from you, that these thoughts can be intuitive and inspired through a spirit that you want us to embody in something that would make you proud. Please let us to get there and help us to get that home run and then communicate those thoughts. In Jesus Christ's name we pray. Amen.

SPEAKER_02 1:50

Amen. With the blood of Jesus over this podcast and over your households. We were just got back from Forrest Frank show last week. Great time. Got some merch. Mr. Ford, Mr. Frank just going in, doing his thing with it.

SPEAKER_04 2:07

The kid's incredible.

SPEAKER_02 2:08

Second to last show on his tour. I think he, yeah, I'm pretty sure I saw on social media he did his last show in Dallas. So he's done touring. He's gonna be chilling with his fam. Much deserved rest time and hanging out. Shout out Forrest. Love that guy to death.

SPEAKER_04 2:20

But phenomenal show.

SPEAKER_02 2:21

Yeah, dude, he brought out Philip Anthony Mitchell in Dallas in the last show. Unbelievable. Of the last shows. What a home run, bro. What a home run. That's crazy. Going nuts, dog. At our show, he brought out, I guess there was, I'm not sure if I think Corey Asbury is like another gospel worship music creator. And he's I think I think he was just touring with him the entire time. So I think he was at every show. But he came out, sang some songs towards the back half, and then Pastor JP Jonathan Pakluta came out. I'm not sure if he's been with him the entire time as well. Maybe he has, maybe not. But those are some names that he brought out. Extra people, The Figs, and then um I forget the lady's name who sang first, his opener. She could sing though. She was belting it. Yeah, she had pipes on her. She got some pipes on her. She was going off. Great voice.

SPEAKER_04 3:07

Hey, Hope. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 3:08

Taylor something, maybe? I don't know. Sorry. I apologize, ma'am.

SPEAKER_04 3:12

You were amazing. I was telling everybody about you. You sang at the finals.

SPEAKER_02 3:14

You went nuts. Yeah, she went nuts. But great show. Just a great show. Great time. But then to have him bring out Philip Anthony and his onk or in his final performance of the tour. It's like, yo. Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

That's good. I kind of wish he was out there for our show. That would have been lit.

SPEAKER_04 3:30

Unbelievable, dude. If I he just, I mean, talk about 2026, Jesus Philip Anthony Macho!

SPEAKER_02 3:37

Yo, would have lost it. Would have freaking lost it. I was I was in the in the in the school of thought that he may be bringing out Holvey. I'm not sure why, but that would have been freaking hot too. Justin was hoping on hope. I was really betting on that one. It was probably a really low percentage on Calci. But I would have put 10 bucks on it at least.

SPEAKER_04 3:56

That would have been great to hear Alter. Yes, Alter would have been insane. I was listening to um All for You. And then I had to reverse thought. Like I got to your place where I was like, oh, I want to see this live so bad. Like Holvey is nasty, bro. He's dope. If there was any way I could have seen this live, I would have been so happy. And I was like, oh, that's what Justin was at. That's why he was like really hoping they would have.

SPEAKER_02 4:16

It's Holvi in town. Alter. Altar would have been sick. I love it. Crazy. All I need is probably one of my top three songs from the from Porous, another Holy feature. But overall, still amazing show. Great time. Just moving. It was cool to see. I think we there was probably like 15 to I don't know, 16,000 plus people at our show. But I'm pretty sure the Dallas show had a lot more people. I'm pretty sure from what I saw online, it was saying it was like closer to 40,000.

SPEAKER_04 4:42

There's a moment for sure where I don't know what they were saying. Maybe it's your ways better. And then the whole crowd is singing it, and he's just like got no mic or no music, and then he's not singing, and he's just like soaking in that moment. They were a lot louder than us for sure.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Yeah, I think I think I saw that same video you're referring to, but 40,000 is a lot of chills, bro. He was tripping. A lot of people like yo. So I understandably bringing out Philip Anthony at that show is uh I get it, you know. I get it. I get it. I'm glad Philip was just preaching the paint off the walls in that mug.

SPEAKER_04 5:12

Yeah, as far as my allegory Philip Anthony Mitchell and Ford's Frank pretty much dominated last year. It's crazy that they were on the same stage together.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

Yeah, and he's like Philip Anthony's the like the intro vocals for uh Jesus is alive.

SPEAKER_04 5:27

That's yeah, that was crazy enough on its own. I was like, yo, the TV shows are having a cross-reference episode.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

Yeah, it's like the Jimmy Neutron Timmy Turner crossover world.

SPEAKER_04 5:36

This is nutty, dude. Yeah, that was sick. And and everybody loves that moment in the concert when like the everything turns red and black, and then Philip Anthony Mitchell's voice comes on. Like, I've just seen clips where people are like, this is nuts. And then he shows up, it's like, whoa!

SPEAKER_02 5:50

Yeah, dog, it had a mind blow moment. That would have been sick to have him like perform that part of the song or like on stage when that song's playing. Did he do that? I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 5:58

I did the only Philip Anthony had to have would have wasted opportunity if not.

SPEAKER_02 6:03

No way he let that's no way they let that slip by. I don't think so. But he was he was definitely there preaching for sure, like at the end.

SPEAKER_04 6:08

Like that's even crazier. Like the feature's one thing, but then to get a message, pshon repentance and salvation.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

Going off, dude. So the show was great. You enjoyed it?

SPEAKER_04 6:21

Dude, he's the real deal, bro.

SPEAKER_02 6:23

Forrest is the real deal. Forrest is the man. He's the real deal. How old is he? He's like our age, right? He's like 30.

SPEAKER_04 6:28

I think he's third. I think he's 31. I think I think we're the same age.

SPEAKER_02 6:31

I'm gonna look it up real quick.

SPEAKER_04 6:32

I think he's either my age or yours.

SPEAKER_02 6:34

Forrest Frank.

SPEAKER_04 6:35

What's the over-under?

unknown 6:36

Forrest Frank is 31.

SPEAKER_02 6:37

31? Okay, yeah, yeah. He was born in 95. Okay, heard that. So he he turned 31 a couple months ago.

SPEAKER_04 6:42

Word, word. So I'll pass him here in a second. Yeah, I think I don't know. I think I looked it up one time.

SPEAKER_02 6:46

Yeah, we're the same, roughly the same age, same generation for sure.

SPEAKER_04 6:50

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. But anyway, such a generation, bro. Yeah, like I look at him and I'm like, Yep, yep, that's it. I mean, yeah, and that all the same stuff where he's like having success as an artist, just making secular music, and then yeah, in the in his concert, he's like, and then for whatever reason, he took a step back from surfaces. And he doesn't say that, but he says that.

SPEAKER_02 7:10

Yeah, we mentioned that in the podcast previous, but he was on this duo, it's like a music duo of him and another guy, and they were jointly called surfaces. Yeah, and some they had some popular songs.

SPEAKER_04 7:19

Yes, I think they worked with like producers and stuff to where it was like um a lot of collaborative effort, and then they were just surfaces, you know. Like you go to a studio, and if they're want to work with you, you pay them for their time or whatever. That's like your track, you know. You can give credits if you want to, but I think that's how they were making their music. He, bro, I liked a lot of it. It was really positive. Mood, music, uplifting, good stuff. The song called Sheesh. It's a great summer song.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

It's good stuff.

SPEAKER_04 7:43

Then he's in the concert telling us that he was like thinking he might not ever make music again. He's at a piano, just starts messing around, ends up making uh No Longer Bound, No Longer Bound, releases that and it gains popularity, then sits down and writes another Christian song, or I guess, you know, I don't even know if he's calling it that then. Or gets inspired, yeah. Gets inspired, makes another song that's through a Christian lens, releases that, keeps going until like Forrest Frank happens. And now he's like kind of the poster boy for the Christian, I don't even know what you call it.

SPEAKER_02 8:13

Yeah, it's like Christian hip hop for sure. There's other people in that, like Lecrae was an early person in that sort of spearheaded that movement, and KB's another big one, Holby's another big one.

SPEAKER_04 8:23

I would say that, like, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 8:25

And Luke was so Forrest is the boy though. He's well, he's the boy, he's the poster boy. He's he's Patty Mahomes, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Like there are quarterbacks and there's Patrick Mahomes. Like, there's point guards and there's Steph Curry.

SPEAKER_04 8:35

Yeah, he's the boy.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

He's the boy.

SPEAKER_04 8:36

So then I'm hoping that he's gonna like live up to this this image I had built. I had built that image of him in my mind, but I can't tell if he's like I'm gonna go watch LeBron play or whatever, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, a little bit watch Steph Curry play. Facts, drop 60 dog, dude. He was insane, like better than I expect in the moment watching him do his whole thing. He was amazing, poised, controlled. He it was obviously a routine set, he was crushing, no nerves, um, could slow down the tempo, was great with the crowd. Even at one point was like, I'm talking to you guys a little bit way too long, but like I'm just gonna keep telling you the story. Okay, so then uh, but that's a that's a real that's real self-aware. He he was completely owning the entire stadium at that point. Like, he told his team, like, I know I'm taking a long time, I'm taking a long time, but like I'm for his frank, it's crazy. And then, yeah, his whole message too is like that God put these music, these songs on his heart, then released a bunch of them in a row, and then somehow or another had albums come out, everybody liked it, and then now he's in this position to tour and go crazy. But he's not like I'm the best in the world. There's not like Kanye West energy going on, you know? I'm a genius, yeah. He's super humble about it. And uh I guess what's the other part that's just cool. The show was cool. He showed you how you make a song, like he had garage band open, and then on the screen, he's like, I guess it's logic, and he's like showing you how he makes his songs, but it was also kind of like uh okay. So I'm telling Luke about Forest Frank, and he's like, Yeah, I can't get into the whole Christian hip-hop scene. It's just like the wires don't mesh in my mind to allow it to like take me anywhere spiritually or like with my frequency. Just I feel it's like it's not it. But then I'm like, Forrest Frank, like uh good day is like not hip-hop. I mean, it's like a nursery rhyme more than it's hip-hop in my mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

There's definitely hip-hop, is not I guess hip-hop is a really broad umbrella for sure, but it's definitely not like true hard hip-hop with 808s that are banging and adult beat.

SPEAKER_04 10:33

Yeah, I don't even know how much he's rapping. He's like, the sun is shining down on me. I already know my name. Like, that's not even rapping, you know? So there's definitely songs that come across as like pure Christian music. Like, that's the genre that it takes it takes me to. But then there's other songs that like are a little more blendy, you know. Yeah, like God is good, is feels hip hop, you know. Yeah, that's definitely more a hip-hop song, definitely like uh drop, drops more of a hip-hop song for sure. Yeah, and he plays with that. That's what I'm saying. So the artistry, like the I I I F with that, like I'm so into that. You can hear for that. That's definitely I feel this nuancey cut of like what is the right kind of music to make? What am I inspired to do? And he's like right in the crux of it, just balling out of control like Steph Curry. Cooler than you could have thought, blew my mind. He's the boy I was inspired.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Yeah, dog.

SPEAKER_04 11:24

It's an awesome show.

SPEAKER_02 11:25

Yeah, great time, dude. Super, super good show. I guess two two two parting thoughts on that idea I wanted to mention was I guess one of them was just the um one of the highlights of the show, if not the highlight of the show, is like he he's done this, I've seen him do it in other shows on in social media and whatnot, but there's uh the God is good song, and like there's like a second verse on there that's I think Caleb Gordon is his name or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 11:49

Yeah, he's pretty popular.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

But there's a a moment in where he goes into like the general admission portion of the crowd that's like next to the stage, and he picks out a kid to like rap that second verse of the song. He's done it a couple times. But the girl that he he picked like a little girl, she's probably like eight, I don't know, somewhere in that ballpark. But then she uh the whole time, like because the hit the verse that she's going to guest rap is the second verse of the song, and then just like up until that point where it's like her turn to start rapping and singing the lyrics, like the entire time up until that point, she just looks so nervous and just so shy. And like, I was definitely 50-50 in my mind whether or not this is gonna like crash and burn. I was like, I'm sure that happens, I'm sure that happens. Like where he pulls out a kid in the crowd and they just like loot crush or fall under the pressure of the thousands of people watching them.

SPEAKER_04 12:36

I feel like she had to know she was gonna get the mom. Like, released a video of her practicing the song before the show.

SPEAKER_02 12:42

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that that that little girl has like there had like a family Instagram that's like popular.

SPEAKER_04 12:47

Really? Yeah. I thought maybe the mom was just posting clips.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

I didn't go to the page and realize that they're constantly, but there was like a I didn't do extra digging, but I saw that they had like a post. It was the girl with a because she had two braces. I think she broke both of her wrists during the summer, and she had two casts on her arms or a cast on each arm.

SPEAKER_04 13:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:04

And then but so I saw that there was a clip of her, I guess, of like the mom running the Instagram, and there was a video of the mom telling the kids, like the girl, and then maybe her siblings, like two two other siblings, the mom telling the group of kids that they were gonna go to see Forrest Frank.

SPEAKER_04 13:20

I saw the video, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

Yeah, and then like shortly after that, there's like two or three other videos very like immediately afterwards of like her rapping the the guest verse on on that on that song.

SPEAKER_04 13:28

That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

But yeah, that thought crossed my mind. I was like, I wonder how many times this has like gone poorly, you know, where the where the kid just like freezes or just messes up or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 13:36

Dude, I think I'm gonna be honest, I'm pretty sure that was set up. So I think Forrest. It might have been for sure. But then I think Forrest got nervous because she was real nervous. She looked real nervous. She was real yeah, he was trying to like be like, okay, like you say hi to the crowd, you know, like um, you good? You want to sing this part with me? Like, was trying to like invite her to have less anxiety, and she was just like, Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

Yeah, look super nervous, bro.

SPEAKER_04 13:56

Yeah. But then when her song came out, she just went from like two energy to ten energy.

SPEAKER_02 14:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:02

It's like, right? The first line, she don't she like jumps as soon as she's she's like, Can you tell how I been so good to me? And then sorry, I probably popped her mic, but she just like jumped out that J like I popped out that fuck, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

So it's going crazy, yeah. Yeah, the entire audience is just going nuts with her. It's like that that transition from the two energy of of a 10 scale being super, super nervous and super just like not even smiling, you know what I'm saying? Not even like enjoying her time up there. Yeah, it's like nervously, timidly gripping the mic and then just like kind of looking around, like not knowing what to do. From that transition immediately into the first line of like um now I'm on 10. Everyone was like, ah, let's go. Yeah, yeah. That part was yeah, that that part was definitely an energy booster. That was like the dopest part of the show. Yeah, arguably the dopest part.

SPEAKER_04 14:51

The stadium lost it when she started jumping up and down going crazy. Everyone was like, like, we all felt something. That's the crazy part.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

Everybody, everybody was like, Yes, yeah, yeah. She overcame the fear and the nerves. So that that part of the show was amazing. That was a dope, dope aspect of it.

SPEAKER_04 15:07

And then another I posted about it on my story just because it was like the one of the most lit parts.

SPEAKER_02 15:12

Easily, easily, and irrefutably, undisputed, undisputably dopest part of the show.

SPEAKER_04 15:18

For sure.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

Aside from people getting saved and like giving life to Jesus if they weren't already.

SPEAKER_04 15:22

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

What what percentage of the people at that show? It's a obviously Christian show, obviously Christian artists. How let's say there's 15,000 people. Let's say what what percentage of that 15,000 do you think were like on the fence or like maybe were invited and brought there? Not against their will, but like not they didn't choose to go, you know what I'm saying? Because if you choose to go to a forest Frank, so you're you're probably a Christian, you're probably like already giving your life to Jesus, you're already on that train, already on that team. But of those 15,000, how many do you think are not like on that team, like in that vein of true Christian believer?

SPEAKER_04 15:57

I felt like the guy that was sitting in front of us was kind of in that boat. Me too, right? Yeah, right. The guy with the girl? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

I think she probably invited him or whatever. They were like on a date or something. A date night, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had the same exact same exact thought.

SPEAKER_04 16:07

Yeah, straight reference point. But I've he forest frank was so good. The songs were good. His girlfriend was legit vibing, vibing hard. Yeah, and I felt him like he I don't think he was like opposed to it all, but I felt like I felt him be like, This is dope. Like, this is dope. This is I kind of get it now. I I get what you're into. Like, this is a cool thing to be into. And then it's like, what is that thing? It's like Jesus. And it's like, well, maybe I should be more into that, you know? Yeah, yeah. I think it was more that kind of taking space is like a basketball and a call of duty term. I feel like we were taking space in that sense in the world as Christians, where there was, you know, ambiguity. He didn't really know or have a reference point for what Jesus culture could look like. And then you pull up to that kind of event and you're like, this is this is pretty awesome, actually. So, but then as far as just people being like, I want to give my life to Jesus tonight at this show, I don't think there was exactly like a salvation message per se. Like there was a point where they like had like a that call to salvation for everybody, I think is what they call it. Which is good. You should have that every time you have a mass worship, you know. No telling who you could save that night. But it it didn't feel like there was ever like a point, like there wasn't like five minutes of like preaching, like, you know, Jesus come to Jesus, Jesus forgive you of your sins, he died for your sins. You know, that that's grace that you can't imagine. And if you feel moved or compelled tonight to to want to let him into your life, it gets the best decision you'll ever make. Like that message didn't quite get touched like that.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

I think it did. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I think what's his name? JP McCluda did, I think after the um it was like in the last half of the show for sure, or like last 10% maybe, right before like the finales or the encores. But I think it was whenever they were doing the Corey Asbury, he was doing his guitar and just singing, and Forrest Frank was just like on his knees, just like singing with everybody. Yeah, definitely like more of a participant than a leader of the worship at that moment. But yeah, Cory Asbury was singing. I think it was right after the song Reckless Love, I'm pretty sure is what it's called. The Reckless Love Love of God. And then yeah, JP came up to the stage and was just preaching more or less that idea. He was just like super emotional, or it's like teary-eyed, you know what I'm saying? It was like hard to hard to talk. I was like hard to talk about to speak.

SPEAKER_04 18:16

I'm just kidding. Uh Holy Spirit, I was like, Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

But he was, I think, yeah, he he was more or less talking about that idea.

SPEAKER_04 18:21

He did say, he said, uh, how many of you guys are 10 out of 10 sure that you're gonna be saved? Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. He did do that.

SPEAKER_02 18:27

That kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_04 18:28

I guess, yeah. I don't know. I felt like that, it just wasn't it. I'm not trying, I'm not trying to be critical, but I guess the the idea that I'm trying to communicate is it kind of felt like a footnote a little bit rather than like a major attention point. And I've and if I think if they would have made it like a major attention point, there might have been an opportunity to like save more people en masse. All that to say how many people in that moment will JP Gave Your Life to Christ in that moment based on the context of Force Frank. I don't I don't think it was uh I don't inconsequential is definitely not the right word. I'm talking about save souls, but I would say probably maybe if you did if they did 10%, that would be great. That's a lot. That's what I'm saying. That would be like unbelievable, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:05

I don't even know if there were that many people to be saved. That's kind of like my original question. It was like, yeah, right. How many people could have even been saved? I feel like the mass majority of the people, 90% plus who were already there were already on Team Jesus, like already about that life.

SPEAKER_04 19:17

It's like kids and stuff, like 13, 14, 15 year olds, like to actually say, like, I'm giving my life to Christ right now for real. Like, I haven't actually I haven't done that. Actually, I want to do that. I want to do something different, you know. Maybe there's some of that going on. I also think some kids do that like three or four times before they're like, you know what I mean? It's like a gradient thing, and you you gotta constantly gotta die to your flesh every day. Sometimes you haven't died to your flesh in a year, and you're like, no, I want to, I'm recommitting my life to Christ or whatever, you know.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

So there's but there's there's at least one. At least one to two percent of the of the entire crowd was at probably just like people who were just checking it out, or they're with somebody else, or just whatever. Yeah, not really, really truly saved. But I would assume that most of them are.

SPEAKER_04 20:00

It's a chiller environment. It's for people, you know, like people would come and be like, I go to church, you know. I'm a Christian, I believe in Jesus. But it's not like they're like I feel like that was the answer. There's the people that are like bleeding heart Jesus people wearing the merchant stuff, and then the ancillary people I think are like still Christians, like they're not. I I don't know how many people who are like really on the fence about Christianity want to go to a fort, they find my felt comfortable, you know.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 20:26

But I think it's more about worship than so than um evangelism is that's what I'm trying to say. I don't think it was designed to be evangelistic, I think it was designed to be worship for Christians. Yeah, yeah, I think so too.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

I I could agree with that 100%. Yeah, it was a concert, it was a show.

SPEAKER_04 20:40

Yeah, it was sick too. And yeah, dude, every song he played, I'm like, yes, we got some good songs for sure. So excited.

SPEAKER_02 20:46

Yeah, I wish he played. He didn't play anything off of the Dawn Patrol album, which is a little unfortunate. I love that album.

SPEAKER_04 20:51

I think they get caught up on logistics and stuff like that with like copyrights and credits and stuff. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the the minutiae is, but Donald Glover never played not going back at any show I ever went to. I went to like three shows. I never got to hear that song live, and it's my favorite song. But then I heard it was maybe because the sample couldn't get cleared for a live performance or something.

SPEAKER_02 21:08

Yeah, I'm sure there's there's some reasoning behind that, but yeah, I really wanted to hear SOS or Yahweh.

SPEAKER_04 21:15

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

SOS would have been sick. Yahweh's a dope song. Where the love goes amazing, Soul Shine's Great. Soul Shine's good. Yeah, he's got some bangers on that album.

SPEAKER_04 21:26

He makes anthems, bro. That's what Serfaces was too. It was like bigger than tracks. Mood music, vibe music, soundscape, like they're vibes. Um makes anthems, bro.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

Great show. Overall, love it. Oh, yeah. The other aspect I wanted to mention, touch on was um it was super cool too, because yeah, my aunt who's worked been working for UT for uh like 20 years at this point. I don't even know. They're vets, dude. They're they're UT vets, bro. She's been working for like the UT Alumni Association for a long time. Her husband works for UT like directly, like the maintenance of the like stadiums in the fields. So like he works like in the football stadium, in the his office is like in the football stadium. It's cool as hell. Like yeah, he works at the basketball arena, like does like the baseball games and stuff. And he does I'm I'm not even sure exactly his job title or his job description, but definitely heavily involved in the athletics of UT, football, basketball, whatever all the all the UT athletics, which is sick. So yeah, it was cool to be able to and he was able to get these tickets through his job. And we talked about on about this on a podcast previous when we went to go see the UT game. That was dope. And like she had those tickets, they have season tickets because they were yeah they work for this work for the squad and they have like the whole thing logistically figured out and then we were able to get like free parking at her job and then meet up with them at that free parking lot and then take like they have like a golf cart more or less like a maintenance golf cart. It's like a six seater and just ride that to the stadium like ride that through the UT's like football stadium and like park it there then walk from there to the basketball arena where the I guess what's it called the Moody Center now where the show was it was dope.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

So cool so dope.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

Dude I was like no literally no one else is getting this experience besides us right now.

SPEAKER_04 23:04

No we got the shout out my aunt bridge they blessed us with a good time.

SPEAKER_02 23:08

Bless big time believers. Yeah their daughter's going to CEU I think it's the Southeastern universities in Florida. Okay. They're they're big like I guess she's going into ministry or some sort of it's amazing. Yeah some either I think youth ministry or some sort of branch of ministry regardless. I'm pretty sure SEU they have the um SEU worship they have their own worship team and they do they make bangers but one of the popular ones is called uh is what a god pretty sure is what it's called and like we sing that at church you know saying like it's like a super like nationwide popular song. That's really cool. It's lit but yeah super big believer people but it was just like an extra cool little added caveat to the Forrest Frank concert in and of itself it's like this extra little VIP experience. Yeah it's like yo it's dope. This is a great day another good one another great day out there saving souls.

SPEAKER_04 23:59

One of my last takeaways from the concert was Forrest Frank just glows bro like he gives off this impression that he's like the boy like the Tom Brady of the league right now. And I'm if you're a Christian artist I love you. But this is also like I'm like a New England fan being like Tom Brady's the goat so like don't take offense if you're a Lakers fan and I love Kobe like I'm sorry. Yeah exactly that's exactly how I feel about Forrent and but then when I was watching him perform live I felt like everybody ever everybody knows that he glows he just does he has aura for real. He's got real he's dripping in anointing the guy is like if you have any kind of mind for energy that guy is dripping in anointing. His homemade were even saying like when the figs were on stage and Forrest Frank pops up in the crowd and then the camera pops in on him everyone's oh my gosh it's forest the figs are like look at this beautiful man over there and then who's this hard to talk to me right now but like he just glows bro but then it hit me I was like I think he for real sacrificed like everything not everything but like identity wise to Jesus his whole I think what he's doing with his life is a call to this ministry whatever he's doing you know and I feel like he's really all in that's it helps if you're already pretty successful and wealthy ish and you have a great family structure and you can kind of take a step back from like the daily grind and align your life in a place you'd like it to be and you have support and you have investment money and you're secure that gives you a different space I think to commit your life to an ideal in such a way that allows you to become a guy like Forrest Frank is. And then you see him just dripping in this anointing at the same time and and I just think they go hand in hand. I think that's that's why he glows like that. Partially maybe because you know God made him a beautiful person that's possible for sure but I I also think that like uh God makes everything beautiful in its time that's scripture I'm not sure where I I just know that's a verse I don't know where it comes from but I think that happens with us too and I think that there's a thing about frequency I think there's a thing about aligning yourself with beautiful things that allows beauty to engage and interact with your life the the micro mirrors the macro that's like the simplest way I've heard it put recently so when you're micro you try to put beauty into life I think on the macro it becomes more beautiful as well I don't know how you drip an anointing I'm not sure but I think it's by following Christ and it clicked in my mind I was like dude I want to be like that I want to I want to find my anointing and I want to I I've I've felt that in my life where I'm like I'm freaking dripping an anointing I feel that you know I feel like I can't miss I'm just like on it and I you know I want to be like that and what in the name of what in the name of Jesus is the access point to get to live this beautiful this beautiful life it's like what are we doing you know what are we talking about why would you shy away from that oh my goodness that's what I'm saying the gradient is like the further that your heart commits itself to the relationship with Jesus the literally the more beautiful everything becomes I know it to be true I've seen it I've seen it in my dreams I've seen it on psychedelics I've seen it when I was blackout drunk I've seen it when I'm like not even kidding bro I I see I saw while I was driving down the street like it's a it's real I know it's real or at least it's real for me. Maybe things aren't real across the board for everybody.

SPEAKER_02 27:07

Yeah people maybe just haven't seen it what is the nihilism is taking over their heart just refuse to look at the beauty more is more and less is less the same thing I'm talking about goes in reverse too it's being overly nihilistic and just dwelling I think it's Jim a Jim Rohn quote maybe or like a imagery he's used is like people will look out of a window and see a beautiful sunset but just focus on the spots on the window like you know like the water spots on the window. Yeah it's like they're both there you know but what do you choose to look at and invest in and give your energy towards and appreciate that's why you gotta you gotta clip out that little complaint you be everyone does.

SPEAKER_04 27:46

Like I remember being like a kid and just being like I don't want to talk like that. I don't want to be always be bitching you know it's so hot oh so I can't ever do this like why are we talking like that?

SPEAKER_02 27:54

Bro people people at work be doing that all the time.

SPEAKER_04 27:58

Really?

SPEAKER_02 27:59

Yeah or just not even specifically at my job or just like in work in general. Like people that there's always someone's complaining about something you know for the most part but you could choose is very easily choose not to and just choose to talk about something else or just say nothing at all and just do the work put your head down and continue on bro.

SPEAKER_04 28:16

That's what we have to do anyways.

SPEAKER_02 28:18

Yeah either way the work's got to get done like and if it's grossly unjust then you know speak up of course whatever but there's uh to your point you can someone like I guess everyone has to at some point make the decision to be like I'm not I don't want to talk like that or I don't want to come off as this or I don't want to spew this energy outward or like just dwell on this negative nihilistic sadistic complaining victim mentality energy let it become my personality and then I'm like the person who's always complaining and yeah but they don't even see it like that per se.

SPEAKER_04 28:55

You know what I'm saying? No.

SPEAKER_02 28:56

No one's gonna like label themselves as I'm the person who's always complaining. They're just like maybe in their eyes they're doing like a like a a a justice to everybody else or they're trying to point out the wrongdoings or they're trying to I don't know I don't know but I guess people no one's no one's actively consciously choosing to be an annoying person who complains all the time. Or at least I don't think so some people might wear that as their identity or their personality I almost like this I am just this way you know so there's one guy who we have at uh at the restaurant who was kind of like that and everyone kind of knows that that's just him his personality he's a little rude me and him are cool now but yeah he was just like you know I don't know if he's doing that on purpose I guess so I guess so being a little rude on purpose or being a little snarky a little sarcastic making jokes at people's expenses you know I'm saying but why just hurt hurt people hurt people for whatever reason or they're insecure that's what I'm saying it'd be a better place if we didn't do that right yeah no I don't think yeah right right I don't know it's unnecessary it's unnecessary it's unnecessary somebody in authority could say stop make us better and be stopped yeah there's no reason for that we're all just we're all just out here suffering together you know we're all just out here trying to make it make it work trying to make some money to feed ourselves and our families I'm a vibe machine I need it to be a vibe to vibe vibe thriver over here extra vibey if we're vibing and dancing and grooving and if you're coming in being a doucher while I'm grooving it's hard to groove in a in that kind of situation. No douche groove no grooves in this douche no no there's no room for it it's just unnecessary but I guess yeah it's answer my own question what's the cultural some people might what's the cultural response to this character some people have quarrels and qualms with him some people I guess if there's one particular lady who's like I guess kind of she herself is not in that same vein of overly rude or unnecessarily sort of abrasive in conversation or coaches trying to help people correct people whatever but she's not like that herself but her and him get along primarily because like she just like gives it back to him as far as some of the attitude and energy and some of the the vibe of the critiques so I guess I they get along but it's always really weird and annoying whenever even even they're like bickering back and forth at each other or like giving each other crap for whatever reason or making making fun of each other. It's I'm still just like why he's like don't do that. Just gotta cut that out bruh and it came to a head as far as like him and I is there's like I guess one conflict point that was definitely I could like point to and say that there was a more or less a turning point or more or less a situation that has since then our relationship is been less conflictuous and less annoying.

SPEAKER_04 32:26

But it was just like a sometimes people need that I think but I guess yeah pointing back to the original question the original statement of do people want to be considered like annoying and like annoying complainers I don't I don't I don't think so I don't think anyone wants to be like wear that as their identity some people will just be like well I'm just being honest you're like that's not all you're doing that's not you're kind of kind of tarnishing how beautiful honesty could be oh yeah by framing what you're doing as honesty here's some honesty you suck that's my truth because honesty honestly if I'm being honest you don't you don't have to be like that or present things and just point out all the negative things like things suck.

SPEAKER_02 33:19

Things suck sometimes you know we just gotta move on bruh on bruh like ah we're sold out of this thing that sucks like I just I definitely just sold one or like that definitely happened to me a couple times where it's like okay yeah this this guest just asked for this certain drink or this certain beverage or wine or this bottle or this food item yeah of course I'll get there right away man right away sir I got you 30 seconds later I find out oh we don't have that item it's like ah okay justifiably you know a little bit of a conflict point there in life it's like ah this sucks and then how do you respond to that I go back and I find the other thing they want that I do it takes like it's 30 seconds. Yeah there's no reason to let it overrun you or you know what I'm saying or I let that just be like such a point of like eruption now. It's like ah ah everyone can get it now yeah right I'm gonna make sure everyone knows that I'm upset.

SPEAKER_04 34:23

People do that they'll think right they'll allow anything to kind of like be a trigger into this upset thing that they're harboring all the time and it's like they'll just get there and be there and think it's justified now it's like oh now I'm justified to be here now I can lash and slash for as long as I want to but it's like no chill out that's not idealistic I'm making things worse. That's the thing it's like misery loves company but yeah it takes a mental fortitude man that's life that's the other thing is like you're speaking from maturity. So you're like I remember when I used to be immature and like that or I remember the familiarity of immaturity and I can sense that people are like that sometimes but now I know it's like not good not worth it not helping and this other person's like standing on it like it is this is how some people be acting like this is a way of existence. It's okay for me to be negative and critical and upset and emotionally uh instable that's life look at that it's their fault I'm justified and you're like you're just immature but that's like the split then it's like objectively are you right that's why I'm like not obsessed with objective truths but it's just like can you coach that person? Are you allowed to say you're not being very nice. You're not having fun. You're not having fun. If you can't have fun you can't play here but it's like there has to be if you can't there's these subjective things where it's like you're being a douche but that's subjective and then you could be just wrong and then I can't tell you to be any kind of different way and I just gotta live with you being a douche. But like if 10 people say this guy's a douche then like at what point can our society say like you suck stop doing that like we'll kick you out or we're exile yeah right go to jail son right you're killing the vibe bro you're killing the vibe like vibes the vibe police like a vibe proof sheet over the wall like a soundproof wet blanket bro stop but yeah what did the bosses say the bosses are just cool this person yeah well he's like one of the not he's not a boss but he's definitely like in the hierarchy of like management but he's not anyone's manager but he's definitely like I guess he's more in the culinary side of things culinary manager.

SPEAKER_02 36:46

How's this person not been slashed is my question yeah that's a good question.

SPEAKER_04 36:55

Because I'll I would just not be about that yeah it's just it's it's people are just rude man is there anyone that's like just rude because hold on how am I phrasing this question I guess I'm trying to like thinking about are people just mm just born rude or born like in that realm of negative energy and complaining and joking at other people's expenses and making fun of people or whatever people born into that and just like that's a is the their type of personality or does that come from some sort of childhood trauma hurt in school or through their upbringing in their parenthood or their parents upbringing of their you know saying child rearing or people just born douchey um one of the personality traits is neuroticism so like if you're 10 out of 10 neurocism that would lean you towards being more um emotionally vulnerable to upset feelings but so dispositionally sure demi's sister is like that she gets upset about everything and um doesn't know how to reconcile sometimes that like her little sister is a baby and she's like a little bit older so demi gets like treated differently sometimes and then she's like well I want to be the baby more or less but like at the same time it's like you're not you know what I mean not in like a bad way but just like you're a toddler not a baby so just like the treatment is different you know but still want to make you feel special and loved and stuff like that but not but then so but then she'll be like you know get really mad throw a fit stomp her feet um start like uh arguing and complaining and just being upset and not listening to any kind of reason or taking any kind of like suggestion just like throwing a fit being real negative vibey and if I didn't know how to like I'm like that's not good you know so I don't want Demi to be like that. I don't want to pick that up I don't want to be like just always upset and but then like I guess from her mom says that she gets that from her dad that he's like that all the time and constantly complaining and looking for any reason to be upset and like snapping about everything and just being a big whiner. And so that that's where I'm like I don't know if she I I think I am inclined to believe that she's picking it up from the time that she's spending with him and then that's like kind of getting embedded in her personality for how to cope with the world. So I think that's the problem is it's like a cultural thing. It's like some people are just like their whole family is like constantly fucking complaining about everything all the time. The movie sucked and it's hot and the AC never works in this car. And then that person leaves that culture and then goes into like a neutral energy place where people don't complain and then they're just like oh it's high and the TV doesn't work and blah blah it's like after an hour people who don't complain are like yo what are you doing like what is bothering you so much like chill stabilize relax have a good time right yeah are the people who just are born that way I think demi sister will grow out of it but it's like you know the whole time that we were pregnant with Demi I was like yo this little girl's gotta chill like why is she so upset? Why is she so upset all the time you know and it wouldn't be anything going on it would just be like she was emotionally like high and low or not even really high just like neutral and then upset and then neutral and then upset all the time come on man come on baby I know right like let's we're chilling like you got an iPad we're chilling like we went to the zoo earlier I've got you for the food you wanted like what more could you ask for you know iPad's dead and I don't want to watch it and I want to watch it on the TV relax relax we're all good you know but it's not getting your way yes and then how do you cope with that you know being uncomfortable too I remember like so like one contentious point when we were pregnant with Demi was like we'd be going to do something and then um her sister would want to bring her purse with her this is like a three and a half year old wants to bring the purse with her right but then her mom would know like in like 10 minutes you're not gonna want to carry that purse and then we're gonna have to carry that purse and so I'm telling you if you bring your purse you have to carry it while we go get these donuts or whatever. And then she'd be like first it would be like no purse I know what you're gonna do. And she'd be like no one both whole fit and it's like okay well you have to carry it's like fine I will I will I will and then it's like okay let's get out of the car and now she doesn't want to get out of the car because she feels awkward because it was like a whole thing that we just went through so we need to like reset the vibe a little bit and then it's like we get out of the car and then like not even two minutes go by. She doesn't want to hold hold the purse and then it's like we told you this was gonna happen and she's like then she locks up because she's wrong doesn't want to miss she's wrong doesn't want to hold the purse and it's like how is this this is not this cannot be every day you know that's why I remember thinking that's why this cannot be every day. But she was struggling with it a lot and then I'm just like disposition parenting I'm watching her mom not raise her like that you know what I mean like her mom can get upset for sure but it it was this was different this was different for sure and then she was saying it's because her dad's like that all the time and I was like so I guess that's like I'm trying to say firsthand for for that baby for sure it seemed like that's where the influence came in. It was it was influenced getting passed down or passed down like genetically and even see yeah and even seeing like so they'll stay with when she's at her dad's house her dad'll stay with his mom and then his grandma will be there too so she's watching three generations of people culturally probably complain a bitch about everything. Or he acts like that and the mom validates it or whatever it is you know the mom acts like that and that's why he acts like that and the grandma lets it happen who the fucking knows you know what I mean but someone's gotta stand in that pocket and stand for something.

SPEAKER_02 42:48

Absolutely come on man because like people have been not getting their ways for a long time. You know what I'm saying? People don't get what they want all the time.

SPEAKER_04 42:57

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

More often than not you're not getting what you want especially as a kid you know you want X, Y, and Z as a kid, or you don't want to do X, Y, and Z. Both both ends of the spectrum you don't want to go take a bath and go to bed or you don't want to comb your hair or whatever the hell the thing is, clean your room and you do want to stay up later and you do want to have a cookie whatever it is you have the do's and the don'ts and the wants and the don't wants and then you don't get your way it's like and then how to is it is is it just like supernatural for us to be upset by that or to throw a tantrum like it's like a it seems like a supernatural response. That's what's happening with that very very regular response for like a baby to cry or to throw tantrum kick and scream whatever get upset yell cry kick and throw it throw your toys literally throw a fit yeah that's I guess I guess that's just pretty natural right that that's just what we're all we're all dealing with that. And then maturity is like getting over it or like accepting that gracefully it's like fine fine there's no ranch they didn't fill the ranch when they killed the ranch

SPEAKER_04 44:02

Yeah, it's also like context. It's like you're on a team, you're in a moment, something bad happened. What are you gonna do? Oh, you want to make everybody else feel bad because something else, something bad happened. It's like there are four people here. You just yelled at four people. Guess what? None of these four people even did that thing. So what did you accomplish? You know what I mean? Or you could jump on a grenade, take the extra cue, do the extra task, support the team, float them, sacrifice a little more, and you're in a leadership position, relatively. So it's like, you know what I mean? Like being a good team member, what are you gonna do? You want to make people feel like shit, or you want to be well, we would all deem a good team member. We'd all be thankful and grateful, and you would inspire us to do the thing through your action rather than just like being told, like, what are we doing here?

SPEAKER_03 44:44

You all suck, yeah, you're terrible, you're trash, all of you trash. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:51

Like, I didn't even that wasn't even my fault.

SPEAKER_04 44:53

Like, I'm not even in that position, dog. Like, I'm moving. Yeah, so that's but I think that there's and I and I don't know, but I think that, and then there's there's another thing there where it's like somehow or another, I think you get inhabited by a spirit that what's the right words? It's like I think that you would agree with me that you wouldn't want to be that person, throw that fit, complain. But people will get inhabited by a spirit and they can't shake that so easily, even if in an open conversation with no pressure, verbally they'd agree with you. But the spirit, the actual fighting of the spirit that's inhabiting them is like a different dimensional conversation, like they don't even know how to address that. You know what I mean? That's what I see in these people that are the constant low frequency come like not only complaining, but then they're like the fact that they gotta justify their complaining and then they feel like uh like uh vindicated and like right righteous indignation, they're really digging their heels in. I'm just like, you're you're being inhabited by like you think you shouldn't be nice to people? Like, really? Like it's that simple, you know what I mean? It's like there's like a spirit that's like got its heels all the way dug in on like this mode of behavior is acceptable and appreciable, and I'm doing the right thing.

SPEAKER_02 46:06

It's like yeah, dude. We're gonna now we're getting out there. Now we're getting some demonic principalities and demonic forces out here, dog. Yeah, dude, yeah, dude. Yeah, I think that's what it is more than anything.

SPEAKER_04 46:16

That's hard. People trying to shake a bad spirit for like 10 years, bro. It's like hard, man.

SPEAKER_02 46:20

Yeah, generations, bro. Generations.

SPEAKER_04 46:23

Yes, yes, that's how bad it is. That's what I'm saying. The parents, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:27

Yeah, so I guess rounding out this some somewhat of those conversations, like there. Some people, I think everyone is inclined to complain about things. Things don't go your way, things do not match up with your expectations. That is just going to happen all the time. When it happens to a child and they react in a tantrum or cry, or whatever, we get it. It's understandable. But at some point, whenever you get maturity and you develop as an adult, when things don't go your way or meet your expectations, there's kind of an expectation for your reaction to be a little more mature. And for you to like take it on the chin or to like get over it is another term that we use to point to what we're talking about here.

SPEAKER_04 47:11

Hey, who's to see their dad get in the car and complain about the service at the steakhouse for 30 minutes on the drive home? Right. Who wants to be in that car ride? They're like, man, that movie sucked, man.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

The chairs are uncomfortable, kids in front of me yapping out my damn ear. I can't hear the movie, can't see the movie. The candy sucked. What's what's America coming to?

SPEAKER_04 47:30

There's no salt and but and or butter on the popcorn. I swear that's because of Donald Trump. It's Trump. It's his fault. It's the damn liberals. It's going to hell. Okay. The pendulum's swinging so hard the clock broke. Okay. Can't tell what time it is anymore in this country.

unknown 47:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:44

Damn it. But there's there's legitimately, you know, parents driving home, having that conversation. Someone tells them, whoa, buddy, slow down. They hop out the car right the whip, ready to rock, dog. Right back in. People in this country. I swear to goodness gracious. You know, like, dude, I'm telling you, making things worse. Facts. It's people that just get inhabited by the by that. I don't even. I think that's like the it gets worse and worse and worse, you know what I mean? But then, so, but yeah, I think there's kids in that car that also will say, like, I am not going to be like this. Holy shit. I will not be like this.

SPEAKER_02 48:15

This just feels obviously wrong.

SPEAKER_04 48:17

Right, right. They're not embodied by the spirit, so it does it's hard to, but then it's tempting, right? If someone is negatively emotionally charged, neuroticism high, to be like, Yeah, that movie did suck. I did waste all day in there. Now I have to go to freaking school tomorrow. Ugh. It's like, yeah, things are hard. Like, I get it. But you're made, you're also living in a self-generating matrix. It's like, with that being said, if you take that as constraint, do you still want to bitch all the time? Hell no. You want to make things worse verbally all the time for yourself? Like, bro, you're and check this out in your brain, you're building neurowiring. So when things happen, now you have like super heavy negative associated feelings with anything happening. It's like every day's miserable for you. You're living in hell. You're living in hell. Hell's real.

SPEAKER_02 49:01

Looking for something. Yeah, always looking for something to complain about or to be angry with.

SPEAKER_04 49:06

And I'll see someone living in hell, and I'm like, they're they're more embodied by a spirit than they are upset. I think this person doesn't just isn't just mad at me right now. I feel like they're in hell every day. And now I'm freaking now I'm the target of your bullshit or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 49:18

Oh, it's definitely the feeling towards the guy with the Schlitterbahn when he popped out the whip. Right. I'm like, this is way beyond me. This is way beyond this interaction right now. Facts. This is way beyond a woe buddy.

SPEAKER_04 49:28

Yeah. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:29

This is way deeper, dog. Exactly. You're you're you're in the stranglehold grip of a demon. For real.

SPEAKER_04 49:36

When I get these negative interaction, conflictuous moments, I would say like 80 to 90% of the time, I it's coming from someone who I feel like is dealing with that kind of thing. So it's like, I don't even know, like, yeah, do I want to make this person feel bad? Like, not really. But do I want to be taken victim by their demon? Like, no, you know, absolutely not. And uh, and so yeah, then then sometimes you gotta fucking say some stuff that's gonna rock the boat. And then yeah, I was real hesitant to do that just because you know, there's negative ramifications for rocking the boat. You can't be labeled as a boat rocker either. It's fucking a whole thing, but it did pan out positively when I stood up for our cultural ideals the last time. A little awkward for sure, but then it was like my manager started being so nice to me. Like all the managers were like, my guy, nice coach.

SPEAKER_03 50:26

Coaching the coaches over here.

SPEAKER_04 50:28

Good coach, kid. Yeah, what a boy to coach. One of the managers freaking. I I called in the next morning. I'm like, hey, like my clothes are soaking white. I'm so sorry. I'm supposed to be working like 10 minutes. Can I come in at 11? Like, they're staggered in times. I was like, can I just come in like a 30-minute slot later so my clothes will be dry? She was like, hmm, how about 11:30 to be safe? And I was like, nice, thanks. Hell yeah. Got to come in like an hour late. Uh after like two or three hours on the shift, another manager came up to me. I was like, Yeah, uh, you actually you won an extra raffle prize this week. I don't think you knew. I don't think anybody knew that uh you didn't collect your raffle prize this week. Here's a raffle prize, and it was a free first cut pass. It's like as soon as they're ready to make any cuts. If anyone turned in a free cut pass, then they get to be the first one cut. It's like a get out of work free card. That's like fucking sick. Let's go. So it was like a lot of I felt like the workplace responded really positively to me. Stepping out on a limb and doing something that I wasn't necessarily comfortable doing anymore. Demon slaying, bro, it's dangerous.

SPEAKER_02 51:28

Yeah, it takes discernment too to see what hills are worthy of dying on and how to how to how to present the argument or the dialogue in which you the dialogue and the energy behind the dialogue that you use to try to combat the negative thing. And you know, you shouldn't be like nitpicking every single thing always all the time. That's also annoying, equally annoying on the other end of the spectrum. It's not like someone who's complaining all the time, someone who's like overly righteous and trying to like throw stones at sinners all the time. It's like, bro, chill out, dog. Like, come on, bro. I I forgot this one thing. Or have a little bit of grace here. Yeah. It's like grace and maturity are two opposite ends of the spectrum, I think. We're kind of talking on here. Shouldn't be complaining about everything all the time. And even when there are things that are worthy of complaining on, shouldn't be trying to fix and correct and to chastise and to condemn people all the time, either. Even when there are things that are worthy of like bringing to attention or to talking about bringing up. Yeah. Such weird things, man. Why can't we just be cool all the time, everybody?

unknown 52:30

Listen.

SPEAKER_02 52:31

Demons exist. The demons, bro. We're just we're all filled with demons. Or the demons are fighting for us, and the angels are fighting for us. But I guess kind of to the point we were talking about earlier, like the the totally understandable reaction of a kid to be upset when things don't go their way. Like, we all agree that that's very normal.

SPEAKER_04 52:52

If you have a kid for sure, you see it.

SPEAKER_02 52:54

Very normal.

SPEAKER_04 52:54

Demi's like, I want to wash my hands again. And I'm like, no, that's the fifth time in 10 minutes. Like, no. Just washing their hands. She loves to wash her hands, bro. Wash her hands and brush her teeth. She's big on that. Love it. Great things. It's awesome. We're the ideals. It's like I'm trying to do the dishes, and this is literally gonna be the fifth time in 10 minutes. So, like, no, we're not playing wash our hands, okay? Like, we wash our hands when our hands are dirty. Then she's like, What? What? What do you mean? No, I want it. And then it's just meltdown, immediate, like, mmm. The meltdown.

SPEAKER_02 53:29

Until you you get it, it's logical, you know. It makes sense, it's understandable. We accept it as a very normal reaction.

SPEAKER_04 53:36

Allegedly, in the baby growth cycle, too, it's like they're they're understanding role and identity in the world going on two years old. So then they're leveraging how much their free will gives them like true agency. And so she is like literally learning that conceptually, like first time. Like we're we have memories of context, and we define agency by like a lifetime of memories, but she's like trying to understand it right now. And it's the most important thing in the world. She's like, I can walk, I can run, I can get out of bed myself. Like, I can't go outside myself, I can't drive the car. I can get a donut, but I can't get the donut, but I can get the donut, but I can't get it. I need to get dad to get the donut. Is that free will? Is that my agency? And then she wants to test that, you know? So it's like scientific. It's not that she I don't, she's not inhabited by a demon by throwing a tantrum at two years old. It's like a learning process. But then it's something about poor integration of that learning process that opens the doorway for a demon to get a foothold in what is your behavioral patterns, your neurofiring systems.

SPEAKER_02 54:32

Right. Okay, yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking about pointing to, because it's like, yeah, we see that reaction in a child, and we don't assume like they're inhabited by a demon or like that they're fighting with demons. No, but I guess it's normal. Why is it normal though?

SPEAKER_04 54:48

Why is it understandable? It's weird though, because I'm saying, like, Demi's sister, though, there's one time for sure where we're like at the zoo and she like for whatever reason, like wanted to go to the zoo, didn't want to go to the zoo, something happened. She got upset when we got there. Okay. And then we're like walking like from the car. It's like, get out of the car and then go into the zoo. And then, like, she we're like, come on, let's go. And then she's like standing there and she just freezes. And we're like, come on, let's go. And then she's like, won't move. And then I'm like, close the door, bam. Just close the door. Let's just close the door. Like, she's kind of standing in the door. I'm like, step this way so we can like close the door. And she's like, won't move. And I was just like, This is a little bit more than just throwing a fit, you know. She's like frozen in public, door ajar, won't go with us into the zoo because you're paralyzed by something, you know?

SPEAKER_01 55:37

What the heck?

SPEAKER_04 55:38

Yeah. And then her mom was kind of saying, like, uh, this is like kind of like a her version of a temperature. Sometimes she'll just like lock up and just like not look at you in the eyes and pretending she's not hearing you and kind of like almost like dissociate a little bit. Yeah. And like, I'm like, I want to see your kid dissociate, bro. You know what I mean? It's like full dissociation, but like just log off the game.

SPEAKER_02 55:58

Go AFK for trying to.

SPEAKER_04 56:00

Like, this is overwhelming, maybe. I don't know. Yo. But it's also just like based on mild temper tantrum stuff that led her to that place of being so upset, you know? And then you gotta wonder about like if that thing has a bigger grip on her family on the other side, what is that is that what a small grip looks like? I don't know. Mm-hmm. Yeah, to the point where like her mom had to like kind of like spank her, like grab her arm and pick her up, and be like, hey, like, we're going in there. Come on, let's go.

SPEAKER_02 56:32

Let's go, man.

SPEAKER_04 56:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:34

Yeah. I guess see, I'm trying I'm just thinking about the question of we accept it as normal, kids throw tantrums, we get it. But then why is that normal? Like, is it why is it normal for us to just throw tantrums when we don't get what we want? Why are we why aren't we just like, okay, that's fine? Like the free will that we have is like, is that I think the free will might be a demon. You know what I'm saying? Maybe not a demon, but maybe like the free will open the door for us to be inhabited by demons or to be upset by things or to have expectations and desires that if they don't get met in the way that we want them to, we will be negatively charged emotionally, and then embody that and act that out. But at a young age, it's like normal, we we get it. But then hopefully by the time you get to be 13, 25, 45, like you have integrated properly channels and mental aware, mental like strategies to deal with that.

SPEAKER_04 57:23

The avenue that you're thinking, the logistical steps that you're asking, like where does that happen is a good question because it's it's opening a door to understanding something that we don't understand, I think.

SPEAKER_02 57:34

This is like our human nature.

SPEAKER_04 57:35

I think it's I think the sin nature of being a human. When I think about what my dad's and my dad's writing a book, you ask the question, so what simulation theory is real? Why does it why does it matter? Well, he's no, sorry, he's doing a sermon series right now about what how does it matter? Why does it matter? How do you integrate that thought? If it's true, how do you be a Christian with that? Doing a sermon series on it. One of the things he talks about is sometimes he thinks about demons are like bugs in the game. It's like it's like not really supposed to be there. But because of the way the code is aligned, it's like it's a bug that makes things not work like they're supposed to work. And so with that translated across, it's like that's kind of what I'm feeling here. Is like if you don't learn how to integrate the negative emotions into a mature way, it's like I think we'd all agree that we want to be mature, but some people can't do that because they can't integrate into maturity. So maybe there's like a bug, something in their neural framework that even though they agree being mature is great, they can't take their feelings and push them into maturity. And then maybe that bug or whatever this thing that won't let them integrate because the kid can do it, but then when can when is it not okay anymore? Three, four, five, six. So maybe at five, they're having a small problem integrating, so then they're still throwing a fit in a temperature, like at school when the other kids are kind of more socially like chill at school, you know? And then it's like, so what's going on that they don't? And then if that thing grows maybe too big at some point, it's like that's a demon, you know? There's something happening that doesn't let them do something that they would think that they even they would say is the ideal. Yeah, I don't want to throw fits, I don't want to scream at you when I get off work, but I'm embodied by a demon. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 59:16

Right? Kids, no one wants to get like uh detention or whatever, negative repercussions at school. Like no one wants to be in ISS or have to go to timeout or whatever. It's hard to act good.

SPEAKER_01 59:30

Right.

SPEAKER_02 59:30

Why is it so why can't you just be why can't yeah at five, I think is a is a whenever you start getting into the school system or start getting into the public domain, because until then you're just like with your family, more or less. Like you don't really have, I guess a daycare, but aside from that, you don't really have a lot of social interaction, you're kind of just with your parents. Maybe at school is when things start getting a little different, and like the maturity is like or the proper integration of being upset, but then being okay with being upset or being able to get over being mismatched expectation. It's a little more expectant at school with the social order of things. I don't know. It's weird. It's weird. We're just weird creatures with bugs and with sin in nature, and we complain, we have desires, and then when we don't get what we want, we can we we throw a tantrum about it. But then we all agree that being mature is like a worthy ideal. It's a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:28

It's a good thing. Talk about a movie bug. Someone acts mature, it's per shitable. Yes. Takes the high road, per shitable. Persia. Guys usually act pretty mature. For sure. Yeah, subconsciously, it's all like the subconscious would agree with you. We like that. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:46

If a character is embodying that in their in the movie or the show in season one, they act a certain way, and then by season five, they're acting a different way in the same situation. We're like, that's growth. That's positive, that's good. That's the hero story, at least part of it, a little bit. Maybe not overcoming evil exactly, but overcoming your own internal evil or your own internal desire to be annoying and complain about things.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:10

Because we all have that desire to complain about things and be annoyed. Maybe not desire, but it happens to us.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:16

No one doesn't, I guess maybe it does feel good. I remember Huberman talking about that. Yeah. I think Huberman, Alex, Alex, Alex Huberman talking about there's a there was a scientific study done. Huh? Andrew? Andrew Huberman? That's it. Okay, there it is. I think so. He was talking about a scientific study done where they're able to excite or incite emotions based on like stimulation of certain parts of the brain. Like they tickle this part of your brain, and then you feel this certain emotion. You tickle the other part of the brain and you feel like a different type of emotion. And there was one common emotion across all the subjects they did this to, and the common emotion that they felt the most, like almost pleasure from getting tickled, like was the part of the brain that was stimulating like frustration or anger. It's like whenever that part of your brain got tickled, you would feel like almost good about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:01

Yeah, Jordan Peterson says anger is positive and negative emotion at the same time. It's like the gas on the brakes on the car going off at the same time. It's like not good for your engine, I guess is his metaphor. But I think that makes sense to me, right? Like someone who has like poor dopamine and serotonin receptor flow might like to get angry because at least they're feeling some kind of like charge, you know? But and that's like fuck, dude. Then why are your dopamine and serotonin receptors not working well? How do we fix that? You know, is that sickness? Is it a demon? Is it poor integration of social maturity? It's tough.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:44

We're we're weird things. We're weird things. Only God knows what's going on really with us.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:51

Yeah, it's supposed to be Jesus telling us to use love.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:53

The sin nature, bro. The sin nature within us. I like the Mesopotamians talking about we're made in the in the blood of the Tiamat or whatever it is. I think some sort of whatever is like the underlying chaos, the chaotic demon that is ever present. I think it's in the Mesopotamian story. Whenever Marduk kills that thing, whenever the the chaos demon itself, the idea of chaos itself, an unknown, a potential. The idea of the chaos demon itself, we are made out of that thing's blood. And so like that thing is in us. Like, I guess you could translate that to like the sin nature of being a human being. It's just in us. It's just in us. We do get annoyed and we do complain. And some people like fall into that and like make that their personality. Seriously, yeah. Yeah, and just be that thing. And it's like let that overtake them at any opportunity where they can, I guess. But there's maturity and there's a worthwhile pursuit of wrestling that and getting getting over things and being the person who's like being able to forgive is like kind of an another vein of that as well. Like when you are justifiably wronged, or like in the narrative story of things, like a wrong has been done to you, but you can't choose to overcome that and get over it and forgive them.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:11

Yeah, it's an ideal.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:12

It's an ideal, it's maturity at the like the highest level. Yeah, it's self-sacrificial.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:16

Some people I guess aren't energy conscious. It's like obviously energy wise, that's the move. Like I don't know. The people that are just throwing fits and stuff like that. I don't I'm like, you don't feel if you were to watch someone else do that, wouldn't you feel like that's off, you know? I was like, I don't know. For sure. The energy is so palpable to me, you know? Mm-hmm. So I think I I don't really get it on that on that end of the spectrum.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:44

Yeah, we're talking about something deep. We're talking about something like deep in the nature of a human being itself.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:51

But it's simple too. It's like, bro, this is weird. Why are you yelling at everybody? Why are you freaking out right now? Or why do you freak out every day about this one thing? Like, what are you doing? When I was growing up, my mom was, we we applied disgust to like whiny, complainy, disrespectful, I want my way, crybaby, throwing a fit behavior. It's like, oh that okay, now you want to whine about it. Now we're not going to GameStop at all. That's like, okay, go stand in the corner. Okay, you don't want to stand in the corner, go to your room. Go to your room for an hour, and then be like, no, and be like, okay, well, you're gonna get spanked, and then you're gonna put in your room or turn the lights off, and you can sit there for an hour until you decide you want to be a part of the family and not act like a psychopath, you know. I feel like for me and my sister, it was both like super big, like we're not whining, we're not complaining, we don't act like that here. So then I don't know, it just was out of my system early. I feel like I remember being like eight and being like, Grace, you gotta stop complaining so much that shit don't fly here. Like, please stop whining. It's not gonna work. No, like you're gonna ruin everything.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:46

You can do it all you want, but it's not gonna make anything better. You're not gonna the thing that is there's like a root cause for what is making you want to complain about something, and like the complaining about the something is not gonna make the root cause go away or make it make the situation change. It's like you want this cookie? It's like, no, you're not gonna have the cookie before dinner, whatever. We're gonna wait till after dinner. And then you start whining and complaining and crying, and you think that's gonna get you the cookie, or sometimes it does for people. You know what I'm saying? That's what parenting is so important, bro. You gotta have some mature coaches, some co some maturation coaches, is like the the parenting side of being a parent. It's like, I gotta, I gotta give you some tough love here, kid. You're not getting this damn cookie.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:24

Like we're not stopping at Bucky's, bro. Nah. We're not. We have a full tank of gas. We're gonna go home and have dinner. But yeah, sometimes it's your kid. It's just like a baby. I'm like, you don't need a donut. We're gonna go home eat chicken. And then she's like crying for 30 minutes, and I'm like, This isn't helping anybody. Me not giving you a donut, it's not helping me. It's not helping you. Let's just go get a donut, it's gonna make you so happy. It's like there's no positive, negative. It's weird. That's the thing about the kids too. It's like sometimes it's it is easier just to cave and give them their will. Because what are you standing at? Is it really important? Or are you just creating more chaos for no reason? That's whenever it like tips the scale for me. I'm like, I'm making things worse for no reason. You can just have the donut, you know. And you can't even conceptualize that I'm like, I want you to eat dinner before you eat a donut. Like, that's not even fucking landing at all, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:14

You literally don't understand what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:16

No, no, it's like the concept's beyond you for sure. When I go home and I feed you chicken and macaroni, don't even eat any of it. It might eat like two bites, and then like what's the difference, anyways, at that point, you know. So there's times where it's like easier to and then I'll see kids being real disrespectful to moms and dads. Like four or five-year-olds, I'd be getting my ass whooped. Belt facts, dog. Facts. If I didn't get whooped, it would be like a story about how my mom got severely whooped for saying something similar to what I said, and like leveraging that in conversation. It's like, is that the kind of parent I should be? It's like, is this the kid, the kind of kid that you want to be? It's like, is that kind of a relationship that we need to have? And then you're like, fuck, maybe not. No, yeah, no, no, I don't want to do that. But yeah, that conversation's not even close right now. So it's like, yeah, yeah, no, it's just emotion, just little babies. But that this is toddlers thing. It's in them. It's in them to be like, oh, screw you.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:14

Okay, you're over here, oh you cry every day. The patriarchy over here, the tyrant. Over here with your rich guy, laugh.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:23

Yeah, yeah. We laugh at you when you're not around. Bye. Like that's sometimes little kids' energy for sure, when you they don't get their way. And it's like that's as evil, it's like, I yeah, they don't they don't have the like the protectors up. They don't know how to not be as nasty as we can be. And they're smart enough to put together uh an upset sentiment. Fuck that. My kids, uh Raise your kids. Not my kind of parenting.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:54

Raise your kids, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:55

Where's the southern, where's the manners? Right? Yes, ma'am, no, ma'am. Yes, sir, no, sir. Please and thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:02

Oh yeah, I gotta put the fear of God in.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:04

We're not gonna be like that around here. We don't run that kind of program.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:07

That's not the kind of offense we run, son. That's not the kind of program we are. It's not what winners, that's not how winners construct the mental coping mechanisms that are gonna get you to the championship. Facts. That's what we're trying to do here.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:21

I'm not raising a loser.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:23

Heck no, brother.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:24

If you wanna dislike me because I raised you to be a winner with as much grace as I possibly could, then you'll have to dislike me.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:29

Yeah, it's like coaches gonna make you run. You're like, oh five miles.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:34

Six? Are you kidding me? Ten! Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:41

I get it. Yeah, there's things you gotta be able to understand that there's things outside of your kids' conceptualization that you conceptualize for their greater good. That's parenting. That's hard.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:52

Yeah, God's trying to do that to us.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:53

I know, and he gives us a lot of grace.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:55

And we just complain, but we get over it, hopefully. And we develop maturity, hopefully. By the grace of God, we get some wisdom and we are able to embody that wisdom and help use that to gain clarity into what we should do and how we should act and how we do should feel about things and getting over things.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:16

Maybe we just suck, bro. Maybe humans just suck. I think so. The only part of us that doesn't suck is when Jesus enters into some of our decision making and our thinking.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:26

I think humans yeah, humans pretty much suck, I think.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:29

For the most part. We definitely embodiment of the spirit of love is what compels us to do crazy stuff. Yeah, Cain and Abel definitely.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:39

Definitely were uh I think Cain's the older one, right? Cain was born first, I'm pretty sure. I don't know. I'm like 90% sure Cain was born first.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:49

It's Cain and Abel, it's not Abel and Cain.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:51

Yeah, so I think that the first human we have the proclivity to be murdered, like to be so annoyed and complain. So nihilistic that we're like willing to kill something close to us. But Abel, I guess, is is just balling. He's just he's just he's just doing what he's supposed to be doing.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:10

Simple. That's why not every kid struggles with this stuff. It can be really simple. It's like dad wants me to act good and then I'll get a donut. Okay. Simple.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:20

Yeah, like like they have the desire to want to please the father. Right for real.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:24

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:24

And then there's in the exchange, you know, like makes proper sacrifices.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:28

This person looks out for me and gives me what I want for the most part.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:31

That's a good deal, you know? It's a good deal. Why would we shy away from that? Hell yeah. Right. Why? We just get in our own way. I think you're talking about with prayer. We should be getting our own way all the time.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:41

Yeah, that's what it always is, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:42

That's that's definitely a big part of it.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:44

That's remote talking about in control of your own life, it's like the worst place you can be. Because you suck. You're a child. There's children. You want to go for what you know? All creating, all knowing those. Which one do you want to lean on? You gotta lean on your parents, man. The father, you gotta lean on your parents.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:05

Like what Demi does for you for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:09

You're a provider, sustainer.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:11

Yeah, she definitely, when things are bad, she cries for me. When she wants something, she comes to me. But she's trying to figure out how to do things on her own. And in some sense, you're like excited for that. Don't want the opposite of that, where they never figure out how to do anything on their own.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:23

Very much so. Very much so. Properly making them their own person, man. Oh, it's crazy, it's scary.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:31

It's also God, like it's not even it's so beyond me, you know. I'm like a foster parent for God, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:37

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not my kids, not legitimately.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:40

I'm like trying to keep her safe so God can it's all gods anyway. Yeah, yeah, if I all of it. Not even your soul to sell.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:48

It's all of it. Not your property, could the possessive nature. Oh man, but I wanna let's let's hop up and hit some games real quick before we break off into Monday. Um, I guess any parting words for the beautiful people.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:01

I love you guys. Shout out new merch. Justin made this shirt. Merch. A shirt's not a shirt. Song's not a song.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:07

Shirt's not a shirt, bro. Your life is not just a life. You're a testimony. Everything is deeper. Yeah, every shirt's a billboard, every song is a sermon. We out here. Worshiping, hopefully, the right things.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:23

Yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes. Collective subconscious needs help. You can only help it by acting with your conscious.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:30

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SPEAKER_04 1:14:00

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