The KING of Hearts | Obedience vs Sacrifice (This Changes Everything) | The MJ38 Show #126

What are you really sacrificing your life to?

Most people think life is about big decisions… but what if it’s actually shaped by the small, daily choices you barely notice?

In this episode of The MJ38 Show, we dive into the deeper meaning behind obedience vs sacrifice, and why alignment with God may matter more than anything you try to “give up” or control.

From the story of Abraham and Isaac to the idea that life itself is a narrative being written in real time, this conversation explores how your habits, thoughts, and actions may be shaping a much bigger story than you realize.

Is life random… or is there a structure behind it?

Why does doing the right thing sometimes feel harder than anything else?

And what if the tension you feel in life is actually a sign that something deeper is happening?

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In this episode, Matthew and Justin explore:

• Why obedience may be more important than sacrifice
• How your daily habits shape your future
• The idea that life is a story with purpose and structure
• Faith vs logic — and why you can’t always rely on understanding
• The concept of spiritual alignment vs misalignment
• How small decisions turn into massive life outcomes
• Trusting God even when life doesn’t make sense
• The unseen forces that may be influencing your life

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Yes. The water's cold. Welcome back. Well. 26. Feeling the difference between chilly water? Cold water. What's up? Yellow start podcast with a prayer for. That's cool. Oh, yeah. Before gaming. Yes. It's got a totally different look I thank you for gather the spirits here today. Thank you for giving me time to hang out with my friend Justin. Thank you for his influence in my life. Thank you for this podcast. And, I hope in this time that we can have moments of clarity, moments articulate the things that we're trying to articulate, but also be open to the things that you want to articulate. But regardless, to us, around us, what the protection from anything that might try to stop us from speaking our mind and from, following you and channeling you into this podcast. In Jesus name I pray, Amen. Amen. Carry that with you. 126 fully leveled up room escape stuff. Oh, water gets cold off. Real shout out merch. Yes, the King of Hearts. I had a moment with that shirt last night. I was wearing a shirt out to a little dinner and then, one of the boys at the Or because I was like, our married couples group. And what she was like is that, for Brandon, like, like the shirt, though, and like that one. And I was like, oh, what are you talking about? I was like, we're going to see Brandon Lake. But this is like, last I made this. This is actually like my brand. This is my merch. Yeah. You and I were just like, oh, that's that's all I like. I like it, it's like, his alluding to his King of Hearts tour that he's on right now that we're going to next week. And I was like, what? Okay, that's what I'm here for now. That's trippy. Yeah. That was well, not that service. That's awesome. Shout out to the march. It's Easter's Holy Week bro. It's Holy Week bro. They might be lined up with. The truth is, Holy Week is what I've seen. But who knows? There's a time where that's true, regardless of whatever that is. And there might be no why not? Why not? You want to ask? Why not? Now? That's it. That was everything. Yeah, that's a lot. I love that there's something there. The King of hearts, bro. This far, it's just thinking about the merchant general. Like, I love the, I was, I love the Jesus is the main character shirt. That's probably like my favorite shirt on the roster. I think you struck gold with that. I think it's cool. Was the perfect shirt to launch the merch line with. I think it's legitimately like I hang up all my favorite shirts, and then that one's like the 1.1. It's the one that I like because you could see all of it. The other ones are kind of kind of behind each other, you know? Yeah, it's because it's the hardest shirt I have, you know? Yeah. And then I then this is like the nice thing about this one is right up there that's like a 2 or 3. I might just like, came with like a two top three picks in the draft. That is university for my rack. It's so sick. Dude. Take Vo. Yes I appreciate it. And then I like to just put the text on the back with the red letters on. It's just really nice and simple. Shout out merch. And then I was doing my right there and I was like, it's almost Kanye merch. It's like Jesus. King was like his line, you know, like, it's funny because I think we're just like expressing the same thing or like that idea of like, this is what I want to wear, you know, it's like the same thoughts happen to y'all. This is what I have. And merch out of that. Sometimes you'll forget what shirt you're wearing. You know what I'm saying? Oh, that's I'll say it to you. There's like, oh yeah, that was that was like you representing that thing. You're wearing mythic armor today, man. Let's put that. How did you get that trimmed? You're like, oh yeah, I'm just scraping away. Don't. It's a party hat. No. Yeah I love it. I'm here for it. It was crazy. It was a cool little writer that came with the moment like. Oh copy. Good. That's crazy. And of all the things I could have been inspired to make or inspired to like, create from and off and to have this line because, yeah, she bought these tickets to this Brandon Lake show so long ago. Long time. Like. At least six plus months, maybe nine months. Been a long time. A long time ago to buy these tickets. I was like, okay, that's I saw and then just like, have that moment be like, is that for Brandon Lake? And I was like thinking about wearing it or like what to wear to like the Brandon Lake concert. You know, I'm saying, but, that's. Yeah. Then I got you one. And then like, I have Victoria one, I'll say I'll get the I'll get the kid one. Yeah. Nice. She's rocking with it. Nice. And I was I really fizzled like the theme of the concert even independently of my own actions. Then create like an inclination to want to create that at the time I was like, oh, that's wild. That's an aligning spirit. I just saw Jordan Peterson enter my body. Jordan Peterson, come back, come back. We miss you. We miss you. Yeah. He would say that, like when when you actually aim upward. What would that actually look like? Like, And the reality that that can manifest is like, usually beyond your conceptualization of what the upper end of committing yourself spiritually would look like and that, it's the same thing negatively downward. It's like that's, that's part of life that makes it so dramatic to us in our own experience. But that's something that I think, like in aligning spirit, really can communicate with you in your life because of the way that you've, committed yourself towards what would be like the highest star. And then it's like, we don't even, like, don't even know what that would look like. It sounds like to me like someone would your life would kind of tell you, like. Yes, you were. This much was a good idea. Like, you followed the spirits that led you to this moment because you created this shirt and walked in faith and played out your belief systems in your belief systems were aligned with things that were the proper alignment, like the truest proper alignment. And then you get like, yeah, I don't like that's that's not that's not coincidence to me. I love when people say there is no coincidence. It's such a thing. I'm like, that's like a that's like saying, one of the most polarizing, like immigration is bad. It's like our immigration is good. It's like, oh, well, there's like a debate to be had there. It's it's a bold statement, you know. So that's sick I love that I love that for you I'm here for it. It's gonna make you feel like you're in the right place at the right time. Which is such a synchronizing. Strange feeling. Yeah, yeah. Trying to doing some things that are the improper sacrifices for obedience. Obedience is better than sacrifices. So we're talking about on that note, did you know that you remember surfaces. Surfaces? I remember the name for sure was like a a band or a musical group. Yes. Okay. At one point in time, when I was back living with my sister in San Marcos, they were definitely my favorite, like band. I was like, I pretty much like surfaces and then like Drake. And then I was like, made a cardio playlist. But also that's when I was playing with songs like Rehab and, tonight the music fell so loud, like the first time you find that song, throw it on the running playlist. So it's like moving out of hip hop into something else. If that makes sense. So I'm trying to describe okay. And I had the song like, sheesh. So I realized, yeah, sunset on a beach or a pull up in Miami, like, hey, yeah, that song was fire. And they have, a couple, at least one other song that was in my top five songs at the time, and then a good playlist after that. So then I saw them post a song. I was just like one person. My brain was like kind of confused, like, isn't this a group? Or like, I didn't really, I don't know, so I just open the comments. Kind of naturally everybody's like, Where's Forrest, where's Forrest, where's Forrest? And then so then like the fourth comment is like, Forrest Frank is out there, making bullshit Christian music. And then the top reply to that comment was like, yeah, we don't we don't fucking want that shit. Hard for me to even say with my fucking mouth. Yeah, right. What says we don't fucking want that shit? Christian or Forrest? Frank was a part of surfaces. Yes. What? Yes. Wow. I have me tripping. And then they were hating on Forrest Frank for, like, switching over and making Christian music and that in that chat. And I was just like, what a weird side of the fence to be on, man. Because like, maybe they bots from Norway or Norwegian on, you know, the Netherlands or who knows, anywhere Ireland, Dublin, Iceland, Greenland. VPNs, whatever you got to do. Yeah. Bot farms. Yeah. With that, there's. That's real there is that. I see it everywhere. I see crazy stuff. Crazy replies where I'm just like, are you a demon? I'm like, no, you're a bot from some farm somewhere program that. But well, who who's that aside? I saw another post. I was like a Christian person. Somebody was being real. Like, partially negative and critical, talking about, like, I followed the comments down and then the bottom comment was like, the Bible that you're reading isn't the true Bible they stole from. They saw the Bible from the Quran and then created like Western civilization culture. And if you if you really wanted to be closer to God, you would want to be reading the Koran. You gotta know what's up, you're reading bullshit or whatever. And then above that, she had argued that what was half well, where it was half it. Right. He started off on the Koran. And then earlier up to now, she had said that, women should be like the decision makers of the scripture that support this, that men are supposed to be, like, subservient to their to the women. And they're like, let's just do it in a really like, Girl power queen. We're supposed to run the family queen. You don't even know what you're doing. Look at all the scriptures. There's other girls, like, scripturally. Like, here's what you're talking about. Like a little West half energy. Okay, let let let down to you don't even know the Bible. Your Bible is not the Bible about. Well, and I was like, this is a bot. If that's a bot, that's a crazy bot, bro. Like, what are we talking about, right? To unleash that on our social media feeds? What the hell? It's crazy. Yeah. I never knew the forest. Frank was a part of surfaces. There we go. That's crazy. Crazy, right? Mind blower. I'm trying to think of which verses were his, but it just makes sense. So it's crazy. It's hilarious. For Frank, it's like that was successful on surfaces left surfaces to do for as Frank. And then there's like the biggest Christian artist in my opinion. That's how he's like Kobe. I mean like he's poppin. We'll see if he was a chick. But I like jumps on that. He's five. He's wavy. Coming up energy is different. Yeah. Going to be competitive for one of the best artists of the year. And I don't know. He's just. That's. So then I feel like you had to sacrifice something there. I imagine that was kind of scary or like, you know, reminds me of aligning yourself with, like, like the higher spirit or the Most High. And also my own transition out of, like, trying to you can't just there's like, posts that are like listening to hip hop when you're 30, be like, oh, I want to do terrible stuff. I want to do terrible stuff and give my spirit away to unworthy things is basically all hip hop on some level. And, that's the joke. And I'm like, okay, yeah, I get it. That's funny. I do feel that. So now I'm listening to forest Frank, and not so much like, but when when Ice Man comes out, though, I think that's going to fit. So it's going to be filthy. Yeah. Whose bodies are. So people are going to start going off in their life. They've got they've got Iceman. It's time to like, I don't know, the new season. Yeah. People are going to be activated off of that. That's like the common joke on social media. It's like feeding families. Where is this album with like, snippets and stuff? Okay with it? So. So yeah, that's I think, there's something I was listening to just talking about music and Christian stuff to take the start off. I was listening to Certified Loverboy, and I remember like those songs like going Hard to Life. Listening to those songs like champagne Poetry really moves me. I don't know if that's like a lame thing to say, but there's just like a special like, I know, like it's like a I'm able to tap into an old, very powerful energy when I listen to that song. Yeah, yeah. No. Listening to like one dance you know. So it's like this is just, these are good words or something. They're who knows how they got it. Who knows what's going on with it. Intentions behind it. But I think there's an artistry and a poetry element and something that's appreciated when something's more depth than what is initially kind of presented to you, like a movie with extra meaning or an extra interpretation, or a song with conscious intent of the bars and the entendres behind the bars and the implications behind the wording and the deliverance or whatever. Yeah, and all of that is, layers of paint they put over there. The words are they use with the words to get the painting of the song more texture and depth, and then they're able to do that successfully. We are just like pulled by that. And Drake has that, you know. So he's done that, I guess. Then the question would be how much of it is like truly from him and written by him, you know, because he has extra contributors and next year, I guess, hands, you know, in the team hypothetically write some of the songs for him. There was an issue or with that, what was this? What was the guy's name? That was like a public, whenever some guy wrote, I think something off of. If you're reading this, it's too late. Maybe, don't make no time. Is there beef about it? The guy wrote a song for Drake, and I was, like, publicly, there was some sort of spectacle behind it. I don't know, some sort of social like. No above it, but that's like the question that's begged at that point. But I think there might be something, you know, Drake, give it to give it a longevity. With Jacob. We know he's writing his own stuff, you know, said, yeah, that's true, I don't know. He had a weird thing come out saying like that. What's the you know, the Paper Tigers? I don't know either. That's not in symbolism or like, I think they're still trying to say that he never thought that he was as good as Drake or Kendrick, but that, like. I don't know, he acted like he was a top three, but he wasn't a top three. I don't get the argument because there's songs where I'm like the Chinese piece Caddy's verse is some of the hardest stuff I've ever heard in my life. Like, some of the songs go insane, so I don't know, do you think J-3 J Cole's not truly up there with like, Drake and Kendrick as far as discography and talent? I think so, for sure. Cool. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what the post was, so I don't want to talk too much on it, but yeah, that's been a whole thing lately. I haven't heard of his new album. No. Because he hasn't been listening like for spring, you know, saying you know like worship music and podcasts really. That's really, that's pretty much it. That's pretty much it. Duh. And with that and with that shift for streaming services, that is going hard to like the song that I heard him singing. I was like, this goes on, I'm gonna, I would add this to my playlist when it comes out. So all this is stemmed from a post that you saw about the services. Yeah. Coming up with a new song by himself solo. Yeah. Still going by surfaces. Not his, not his name. Right. Yeah. What's his name? I don't know. Services. Yeah. Though. That's the thing, though, is that I thought about that too. I was like, would you still be surfaces? Are you surface versus surface surface. I was like, why don't you does that go by your own name now? It's like, does that kind of turn into a thing? You're like, all right, fine. Like I have to like, I don't know, what do you do at that point. Like you built a brand surface as you probably write that. And yeah. All the merch, all that, everything already made. Right. Yeah. I'm sure for a single guest appearance with them. But who knows. Who knows what's really going on there. I think ultimately Force Rank wasn't afraid to not I had to rebrand. Yeah. Like align himself or something. I think that's what probably he did. He's like, nah, I want to like do more than this, automate Christian music or try like to align what I do with what, like my grandfather does probably, you know, for services is always like upbeat, positive music. Regardless, were a better choice for sure. Now he's like the best choice spiritually feels great. Moroccan I don't know too much about Brandon like, but I know he's like up there right now in popularity. Yeah, he's like in the same kind of category and like, or similar type of archetype story in this different genre. Of Christian music, I'm not sure about his coming into the if you get the services story or whatever. How long is it making Josh Christian music? But definitely he blew up a lot whenever he played for the Charlie Kirk Memorial. I'm pretty sure. Okay, I'm pretty sure about that time. Okay. That really put him up up there on the map. They gave us some extra games to make sure I'm. You feeling. Yeah. For sure. What a crazy thing. Charlie Kirk closed in on a culture. Crazy. Stories. Stories that the stories were told. Who knows where. They just follow? Christ. That's the answer every time. Nice working. Promise. No matter what you got going on. Christ. Working on some other negative stuff is just like dominion of tyranny. That's all it ever. It is. It's all it's ever been and manifest in gross ways. Read books in history no matter what it is. Guess what? Christ. Working tails all the time. Every time. That's what they definitely have realized about life. You know what that means exactly. It's hard to explain. We want words, but I can't give you words no good anyway. It's just air. Just organized air and noise. It's like you read Harry Potter and it's like a story. And then it's like these crazy things happen and, like, forces beyond what you thought were in the rules of the game, like impact things and final sequences to transfer seasons into the next story. And you read that and you're like, now my life is just pure chaos. My life isn't. That's why we like books, because my life is just like random simulations playing out every single day of probability and chance of chaos. And it's just like, no, it's not. It's like it. That is what's going on here, too. It's a reflection of us. That's why the Bible works. So we can like reflection into us. What they're saying about things. It's like we're in a narrative, you know what I mean? But that's like a hard thing to conceptualize every single day of your life. But in that narrative, it's like the thing, there's always going to be terrible shit going on. That's what I'm trying to say. So like in every like in your life too, that's kind of like, if it's not random chaos, it's like, no, there are like structures of things that have existed for so long that they're just forces in your neck. It's like the forces of evil, the bad guys, the antagonist itself. It's like that is happening to you, perhaps for the better of you. It's a writing tool. To a story would be boring without an antagonist. So that's a whole nother argument of like, you know what I mean? Like, I was thinking of somebody that was like, he was such a great bad guy. Like, you ever think space was such a great bad guy? It's like, what is that? He. What the fuck does that mean? You know what I mean? Like, well, wow. Embodied the villain. Well right. Heath Ledger yeah. Like that makes the story almost more interesting. More like the villain was a great bad guy. Like I bought into, like the emotional like, I wanted him to lose and if it's a good villain you get emotionally invested into, like they're crazy to like, you understand them a little bit and it's just like. But the the lose, it's competitive. Like there's like more of an adversarial fight going on between the protagonist, the antagonist that makes it somehow more worthy of the story, more like intense. You know what I mean? So then we'll say, like, that was a great bad guy. Like he really played that role. Well, Kevin Spacey, the bad guys like, what a great classic. Classic. Yeah. So so so is the adversary in your life. It's just weird. Like what it's like, is it a writing tool? Is that like, gods? Like you need that? I design a shadow. You that you call Satan to, like, wrestle with you and make you the best version of you, like, get you the closest you can to honing in. What is your spirituality on this matrix? I don't know, perhaps. I don't think so, though. Morrison I think the story of I hate talking about the devil too much, but I think the story of Lucifer falling from heaven is like, I think, critical to understanding that. It's like, how literal is that? Because if I'm Morrison in scripture doing that, I can't. I can tell you it's Jesus saying, but he saw that. I'm pretty sure the Scripture is Jesus saying, I saw this for fall from heaven. And it he struck the earth like lightning, I think is the thing. Like that's how it's like almost like a Zeus type story. But I'm not sure how to understand that scripture either. You know. Well, look at everyone clicks on up. So we're actually talking Bible talk. Let's get to know it's Bible talk, some of our stuff. But so if that's if that's to be said, I think there's something about like there was perfect and I don't think it's maybe literally. But I think if you take it and just thinking abstractly, like there was perfect order and then for whatever reason, when there's perfect order, like something, something wants to, a negative force occurs and then has to be cast out, but then that negative force within the place of being cast out can accrue things that are like the hatred and the upset and the people whose spirits are downtrodden. They can collect down there, and the thing that opposes perfect order and then try to destroy it. That's like maybe the mechanics of perfect order played out. Maybe that's what it's trying to tell us. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was thinking we had something about the. And what there's even our conceptualization of perfect, there's like a finality attached to that. It's like perfect like done complete but then like within time itself there is no like necessarily done a complete. And maybe it's just going on in the higher order. That is, there's a higher order that is a static kinetic order versus order that is just still some way that. And we're like, it's perfect. It's like, this is what it is. But perfect does maybe aren't going. And no matter how perfect something maybe could be, there's a version of it that is more perfect whenever the adversaries present. The resistance that is necessary for strength. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay. So just the scriptures, that's the thing. Like, especially before I get into that, just like the story of Joe. No way. That starts where it's more or less like, you know what I mean? Life would be the life and that's like, yeah, you could test this guy. Yeah. You like God in that moment? No, that would be harmful. But also, he might have been knowing he was writing a story for what is the rest of time like? Life will come at you like this anyways. Like a good coach is like you want to push the shit out of the boys, go ahead. And then we read like coach said, what? We gotta integrate that into our lives. But it could be such that it's like coach was like, no, they needed to. They need to toughen up. Like, this is what it's going to feel like. They don't know that this is what it's going to feel like at their hardest moment. So I need to like kind of show them sometimes. So go ahead and show him like he's that that boy can rock. Like for the full court press on my guy. So send seven bullets him out, you know, like and then that's Goggins job rocked with it and then was able to write a story that transcends time. Like God. Using Jobe for that purpose doesn't necessarily like that's the kind of God that we have. I think we'll, like, enter someone's life and use them for a purpose greater than our conceptualization of like, our suffering, you know. So that's the guy that I think is out there. That's the guy I think I know if you want to question me on it's got moving like that. I think it's like that in the Bible. There's some scripture about what we're talking about. The Jesus himself in Luke 1018 had said, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven, and I don't. There's another scripture where Isaiah, I guess, is, talking about the king of Babylon. And he's just like, how art thou fallen from heaven? Oh, Lucifer, son of morning. How art thou cut down to the ground? And I guess he was kind of like saying like that. That's the spirit of that had embodied the king of Babylon and more or less, he was last talking to the king of Babylon, and more talking to like Satan himself. In essence, his idea is that like, demons entering your body mind kind of like into the form of someone who's, like, created ideals that beyond betray what is like the right thing and their common sense. Like, of course, of course. You think you should do whatever you want. Of course. And what happens? You always fall out of heaven, don't you, Satan? And then it's like, yo, that was probably super hard. It's like, yo, he just said that to the king. Like that had to be parsed. I just got chills. And then I guess in revelations there's like, there was a war in heaven, and Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the great dragon was cast out. That old serpent called the devil and Satan. He was cast out onto the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. So Isaiah, Luke and revelation, it's kind of like a broad spectrum of books referencing this. So yeah, this was something that needs to get cast out of heaven. The perfect place. Yeah. It's where it's where. This is where we can surprise heaven to be like a place where, yes, it is perfect. But yeah. Then what does that mean? What does it mean? What does it mean? Matthew. God created man. Justin. What does that mean? Like when he created. I'm thinking like he created us. Like we don't know what that is. We don't know what that is. You know what I mean? Like, we're in here being person. But he created like a man. What is it? What's intention like what? Its purpose. The fact that we feel like we need fulfillment might be outside of the fact that it's like God needs us for fulfillment. In that sense, he might have a greater purpose than us feeling like fulfillment all the time. These things are deep thoughts, deep waters take an oxygen tank, wading in the water that they call water. Weighty currents. And swept under thinking about this stuff. Yeah, dude, I think any of our, What? As humans, man, rush, little humans were. And we have a divine part within us. But at the same time, it's just like. The openness needs to be there, man. As far as even, like using Scripture, but also your interpretation of Scripture. So I guess it's the feeling process between who would think, interpret interpreting to the best ability, or to the truest to the highest legitimately. Like a view that, you know. Yeah. Yes. I think you can be more and more and more attuned to it. That's part of the spirituality, like growing inside of you. That's part of what makes these things, like difficult for people to understand how simply we can put it sometimes when they're on the other end of the spectrum and they haven't, like, felt the exponential growth of like a spirituality growing to where you can really feel what the right thing is. Something beautiful happens, someone sacrifices themself for the right thing, and you're just like, oh, it's beautiful. It's like hard to have an appreciation for those things if you're not, like spiritually aligned to see the the beauty in that, you know. There's too much, there's too much that you can't connect yourself with it all the time. That's the thing. Harry Potter one is always right there for you. Read The Sorcerer's Stone man. It's like it's going to take time. That's the thing that we're learning time. It's takes time. Times happening. Time just happening too. Doesn't matter. It's difficult to with the it's the same near impossible. It's damn near impossible. The fact of time itself. Yeah. That is our limitation. You know, if we have it that we had enough time to do anything and everything, you know, we would do it all. You could do it all time. Is that the thing that's like limiting us? Yeah. You can live forever. I'm thinking about, like, why, why, why put time and why include that as a mechanic. The experience of time. Yeah I, I don't know I think time a weird thing lately I've been thinking about time is I think if you dilate it I really think that's what you do. Like if you get up and you work out early in the morning, your day just moves differently. Or like depending on how you feel, the day can drag. And I think that this is like a time dilation in your perception that ultimately results in the matrix where you literally can get more done with your day, like if you dilate time perfectly by whatever. For me, what I manifest is like there's a desired morning routine that leads into a predictable afternoon, in which I usually work out and put myself in like a physiologically different place where at that point I'm like, I don't know. And then once I'm in that state of mind and have those brainwaves, usually predictably, these things will happen over here. And like, if enough of these things happen like that, I forget much, I guess I'm talking about just like my spiritual alignment will be there, which is good, but what? I can't remember what it's like a what controlled set of time. Time dilation. Yes. Okay. When I'm doing those things successfully, time will dilate in such a way that, like, I can, like you said, like, fit everything in, like the all the groups and all the meetings and, like, sit down and do the work on the computer and then fold the laundry. And then as I'm doing those things, it's like, but then if you're just like sitting there watching a movie for like an hour, kind of like wasting time, I guess it's like that hour passes, like really fast and then like nothing happened and then you can get really engaged and it'll feel like you had an awesome, like, enjoyment of that thing. But it's just you're ultimately less things will happen per hour and time will go by more quickly. But on the other, on the spectrum, you can do more things per hour. And also it'll feel like you had all day to do them. And also you're not really in it. Like you're not like feeling the time hit you. You're like on top of it. So it's not you have a lot of time, stamina. If you're ever at a shift and you're like three hours into the shift and you're like, oh my God, work is. But I have suffering the suffer so high right now.

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00 and you're like almost like 10:00 or so. Then it's over. Yeah. Throw up and get out. That's all folks. That experience is so different than like the it's insane. Isn't even five minutes right? Yeah. He's just trying not to look at the clock in class. When you have an hour and 20 minute class, like, damn it, I looked. Oh, my God, I'm still here. Don't get to 1120 eight minutes. Yeah dude. Horrible. These things are swaying. So yeah the time dilation thing is what I, I think there's something in our brain that like perceives time differently depending on how you're interacting with the day. You feel me I feel yeah I think there's something I don't know because I felt like the we all have that we have this stuff to do and like, you know, how busy that you feel. And I feel busy, I'm sure everyone feels a certain level of busyness, like, how does Elon Musk get all of that done? How does how how is that even what are you doing? You only have 24 hours as well. You know, it becomes delegate able. But now there's something different there. There's something different there for sure. It's like what. Like Tom Brady was on some different stuff as far as like routine Kobe, Kobe different stuff, different. Diff diff you life. That's what he that's what he's pointing to. He's like but you could do DV stuff and have DV outcomes and it's that's kind of like his whole thing is like just do it. Just do it here. And then you create an identity of someone who needs to represent it at Billboard level. So he's showing up to every meeting at like four in the morning, like an hour early to some of his interviews, and he would just sit there and wait like, that's almost like a bad behavior. It's like borderline, I'm winning this engagement. This is how you don't even know how hard I'll get up at two in the morning. Dog. I'm so prepared that to get on my terms of preparation and execution. Yeah, you can you can engage with that spirit. DV stuff and time will be different for you. That's the thing. That's part of what happens when you engage with that spirit from time to time. It's like you get more control of it. You get better. Define it to can to have your will take over what is happening in the moment versus anything else. Yeah, yeah. It might even be such that the board forces the force. That's like trying to tell you, like, engage with life, bro. Isn't this boring? It's like, dude, like, enjoy your life, you know? But. So, yeah, there's misalignment with what could be. I think it's just like, there's something about being engaged that you move differently as, like a particle, like an energy. And then when you're, like, engaged and into it, like things go by really fast and then but the thing is, is if you, you can be most of the time or engaged with like something that takes up all of our time, it's like a distraction, like a movie. We'll be super engaged in the movie. You walk out and you're like, yeah, I was like dark. So I was like 2.5 hours. My life, like in the dark. But then you can be engaged with doing stuff and then that's when it gets like, weird because you're like, and I hit the gym and I did the thing and I tried to read the Bible, and I was able to do this. So I started getting up at 6 a.m. because you're getting me a little bit more, so it's getting crazy that, yeah, you're finding pockets you didn't really know existed because you weren't using them, you know. That's like exponential like time wielder skill at the time. Wielding is. Yeah. Did time dilation changing. Does your perception of your story and what's happening. Most the time we don't know what's happening. We sometimes we can exercise. And here it's like a schedule that we create and that it's like somewhat creating I know what's happening at least a loose structure. Yeah. Throwing that willpower to have to create somewhat unknown territory in the complete unknown. And like I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm doing these things and they do all the things I like. Nice. Okay, I love those things. And then sometimes life will just give you something to handle and it's like, oh, I gotta handle this thing the same way I've been handling the other random pockets of time with my conscious energy. Yeah, but it's be like. It's like a sneak attack. Surprise attack? Yeah. It's like, oh, okay, here we go. How do I handle moments? Yeah, yeah. Look at this. And sometimes that it's a lot of defensive training because then I'm like aligned myself more with defensive players as far as like when I'm watching sports and I'm like, why is that happening to me a little bit? You know, as I grew up, because I used to be super like Bucs guy. And whoever gets to get the Bucs the best is usually my favorite. But then I think it's because it's like life is. It feels like we train for that all the time, like do the dishes and do the thing and like keep, keep everything in order before things fall apart. And then, then, then the things happen to you where it's like it actually like this will take you out, bro. Like if you don't handle this well, like you're not gonna, you're going to like, take hard L's bro might lose your job are like. But but like damage a relationship in your life that you really need to not damage. Like it could be like losing your one of your parents and then like, you're one of your siblings, like, needs you to be an expectation or something. And it's like, if you don't uphold that in such a way, then things will then crack further apart. So I need you to like I need you to lock in, bro. And I feel like that's the harder seasons of that. That's feels like what's happening as well. Otherwise life is good, you know what I mean? Like, otherwise we only have to worry about much why I play defense. It's like, But then I think it's, like, critical to what's happening is like, things are gonna try to take you out. And you gotta lock in and not let that happen. So you can stay on like God's path of your attack. The optimum outcome. The plan that Jesus has for us that wrote about us, that knows before when we were in the womb. It's like that plan for where you're supposed to be is under attack since the beginning bro. Since the beginning. That's what's going on here like under attack. So as I see God being like, this is like the best I could do, but like, I've seen my dad be like, this is the best I could do. Like, this is the best outcome that I could like, make with all the constraints, with all of my heart, all my effort, all my everything. Like this is the best that I could do for like, this situation right here or like, you know, like as a dad, like I put all my dad energy into it and then I'm just like, I know what that feels like. And then sometimes I feel like God's like that, too. With creation, it's like, I know that there's some things that are like, unbearably, I'm sorry, but this is it right here. Like, this is the this is it. It's like, okay, like I accept that. I'm sorry for being that. It's kind of like how it felt with my dad in the past or like, like whatever upset feelings you have as things I hear, like depression, whatever. It's like once I feel like I felt that before and be like, okay, like that's I get it. That resonates in me. I understand that, and I have empathy and I love you and like, thank you. You know, but then giving that to God to for when I'm like upset about things, you know what I mean? It's, I hate saying, you know what I mean? I guess I've done it. It's like I'm like, I like things I don't know what I mean is what I really mean to say. Like. Things that I know. But it's just like when hard things happen. Like, for instance, on my mom, my mom passed away. But, like, I don't think about it, like, every day. Super. I don't mourn every day. I guess what I'm trying to say and sometimes it's beautiful, but sometimes it is sad. And so I don't even think about it. I'm just like, engaged with life. But then, like, you could, I could be like, man, if my mom was here, she should be able to help me so much in this season of my life. And I'd have this kind of things and you could think like that and then be like, man, God, like, how is this, like, the best outcome? Or like, how is this like the optimal path here? I mean, no, I don't know what I mean. Like, why am I questioning God? But no, the thing ultimately is like, I feel like God being like, this is like, this is the story. This is the best story I could write, like, I promise you like. And I'm sorry. Like I'm sorry. It's not all fruitcakes and donuts, man. It'll be beautiful. Yeah, like I'm doing. I'm doing something outside of the conception of you, my son. Yeah. Just give me some time and trust me. And, Yeah, that was one thing we were talking about. A men's group. That was dope. It was like a the idea of the. I think it's Samuel 1522 for Samuel. And it was, just saying, obedience is better than discipline, were more significant than or than sorry. No than sacrifice. Obedience. That's great than the sacrifice. Let's pull it up real quick. Yeah, but I that's I felt myself getting it a little bit deeper. I'm sure we're getting. Okay. Yeah. I just, you know, we go to the podcast, but if you want to hit the back, we're now just going to look up this Bible verse from from a boy. Now a whole day does that on Mercury. Wednesday. Somebody said Thursday at 130. Shoot I don't know. I can try to. Plan and, You should be. I assume you're coming at four, but I'm looking for. The boy. Boom boom boom boom boom boom boom. Samuel, the boy is. Here we go. Yes. Bible test 1522. Theology. I'm trying to stay within the scripture. Now, what's this even just talking about, bro. Samuel replied, does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much in as in obeying the Lord? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. So I was talking about that and like, need to spare the sacrifice. Like, what is that exactly? Pointing to? You know, a little bit. And then I was just telling that into the idea of even exercising, obedience is kind of more of like your sacrifice, right? Where is your sacrifice directed. It's like we're all we're always making sacrifices all the time. And then to have the obedience be more important than the sacrifice. And I was like, oh, is like connected to the story of Abraham. We're talking because we're just spitballing back and forth on this. It's like, what does it mean about God? What does it mean about people? And like, what do I get from the like, this particular line of scripture? And then was like two more points at the bottom of it, but we're talking trying it out. But then the idea of like Abraham taking Isaac to go be sacrificed and then God like, not even taking that sacrifice, he was like, no, your obedience was more important than that sacrifice. And like, I'll even I'll give the I'll take care of the sacrifice as well. As long as you're willing to do that part of it, whatever that means, you know. Yeah. You know, you know, it says micro is picking up litter when you see it. Let's as macro is dealing with the problem, let you see it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah that's hard. It's deeper than that man. Yeah I know that feeling when it calls to you they're just like I think we all feel that on a micro level every day. But then sometimes it's like sacrifice your son for to do the right thing. It's like what. But then it's trusting God so much. There's, like, things I don't understand. Right? It's like, I don't I don't understand, you know, like, I know how God working Jesus working. These outcomes are better than my expectation for the outcomes. But it looks like it looks like I'm sacrificing or I'm doing something less than it's like. But God is better in that. Less than than your expectation for what you thought you were dealing with. The pastor Ed was like telling that story as well. About the smoothie it was expectation. Yeah. It's like you're like oh man. Like I this isn't what I wanted. It's like this is exactly what you needed which is better than what you wanted. Actually. No sacrifice involved. It's like that's the it's funny because I feel like that's okay. So I feel like that's a reflection, honestly, of like what? Like the devil. How the devil works. Because he's like, yeah, you sacrifice a little bit for what you think you want, but actually I trick you into the sacrifice, changes everything so that you wouldn't have even wanted the thing that I gave you. Now you're in a worse hell because you sacrificed part of yourself for it. I'll take a credit loan for another million dollars in this casino. It's like. Yeah, you like having $1 million, don't you? Bang! Where's your house? Bang! One kneecap. Bang two kneecaps. Yeah, yeah. God. Oh, Jesus. But with God, it feels the same way as the Smoothie King story, where it's like you took less than. But I gave you more than what you expected. And I'm like, that's an interesting parallel. Had that shown that I thought in the shower today. So it's just this part of the podcast I'm about to share that. But maybe I think that's the devil just maybe imitating God. Yeah. An admirable downward. The dog looks up to him because he is the most high. Something that answers your sacrifices. Yeah. The fact that those things are transcendent, like they transcend your conceptualization for the plane that you're on. You're like, sure, right now I'd love $1 million, but then like two weeks later, you're like, yo, if I could just go back in time and not do that. Oh my gosh, if I could just not do that. But it's like in the moment. Like there's something you're sacrificing yourself to a spirit and then that thing's going to have like transformation. You're in a situation. So but it's cool. So that's, that's like part of the gospel. So I'm trying to testify about God side of things is like, it is this it is the same in the same sense. It's like you think you're taking less than you think. You sacrificing yourself. You think you're sacrificing your son, and then somehow those things like our God is, like, transcendent for better. It's like, yeah, you didn't even dot dot dot dot dot dot. Don't do that. Don't do that. That I'll take care of that. That's a cool God that's worthy. It's worthy to follow. Yeah, bro. And then Jesus being the lamb that was slain and the lamb takes away the sin of the world, right? A little donkey. That's crazy. It's crazy talk, Scripture talk. I also saw a Bible. They called it a cult. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. That kind of struck me. I was like, oh, whoa, I had that too. Or I was like, thinking about you. And that's that's like the cold stuff, right? I was like, that's that's in Hindi rapper bro. Yeah, dude. Yeah. For real. I was like, that makes it. That makes this logo so much worthy, so much better than, like, the new Jersey Devils. Imagine that's where I. Yeah, with the cease criminy. You can't have that. That's like the worst example. Yeah. For real. That was good. But but yeah was cool. Shout out the cult of the world. And I was like, is a cult a dog? Are we are we the Indianapolis doggies? It's almost kind of harder. Like, if it is what Jesus rode in on. Give me a hey, hey, I'm making a wallpaper. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that was cool. I like the Bible, man. Bob's cool. Let's take let funny shirt. Right in some Colts gear. Yeah, like on a blue horse. Yeah. White horse. All right, Colt, I guess. Not sure what it is, but that was cool. I finished Matthew, I don't I haven't been reading everyday. Resolution's hard. That's my resolution update. Let's go. It's harder. It's not hard. There's a time dilation. Like if you get up and sacrifice yourself to the Bible early in the morning, then you can do the dishes. Then you are doing the dishes and making breakfast. Then I'm also doing the laundry. Then I'm packing the gym bag. Boom, breakfast just got done. Like you are cooking, not just breakfast. Literally minutes directly. Yeah. So then it just feels like you get so far ahead within. Just like it's it's a war, the sacrifice or what? I get up and, like, drink coffee, like, look at ESPN and then maybe go back and take another nap or, that's pretty much all I do in the morning if I'm gonna just, like, not use my morning properly. You know, it's just like sleep more. No effects. As I sleep. That's the sleep you're taking you. Sometimes we be on our feet, allow for our job to be walking around a lot, doing some things with it, I. So I came home, I took an hour long nap on accident. Oops. Yesterday. It happens. Yeah. I did not expect that to happen. I had my shoes on. I was going somewhere. I had intention. Nope. Dang it. Yeah, like I got to every home in the play. The play was to get, you know, I thought we were going to like, start playing and I was going to start doing the things. And then she's like, sleepy. First we're playing in here just a little bit, and she's like, integrating yourself with my apartment. And then I'm like, sitting here and she wants me to pick her up, and then she's like, cuddles up against me. So I, like, lay down here for a little bit. And then she's like kind of like playing, pulling on my face and like then like going back to sleep. So then I go lay down on the bed and then she's doing like the same thing where she like wants to play, but then she's like, doesn't have the energy to play. So yeah, it's done. And then, so then she fell asleep like on my chest. Well, and then the lights were, I just had the lamp on and I was sitting there with, like one foot on the bed, one foot off the bed, just kind of hanging, just like laying down. And as I came back to our past and just like that dude didn't even see it coming, man. And I realized, like, yes, because we're going we're using a lot of energy expenditure every day. Maybe. Yeah, if I may say just yeah, there's a there's a human aspect here. There's a sleep aspect we need for some reason, you know, but proper sacrifice time, that's part of the deal of time that we can't even use it all. That's what a good bit is. The limit. That is the limit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh you're still have like we talked about the beginning. Like time is such a constraining thing is the constraint. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. You get old and you're like I wish I had done more things. It's like that's time itself. That's death. Yeah, right. There's death a bad force. It's like, it's part of the cycle of what's happening here. It creates the constraint for the thing that you're experiencing. Death itself is necessarily like evil. It's just part of the deal. Right. Right. But then there's like a belief that comes from there that makes it part of the pursuing that, pursuing like death for the sake of death. You know, saying, worshiping that or giving that energy and energy expenditure. It's like nihilism as root, you know. Yeah. We're making more suffering for the secretary's suffering. It's like, you know. Come on, come on. We'll talk about it. It's because it looks so small. It looks so small. We mean, it looks like ignoring someone that needs help or like it looks like telling a white lie to make things easier for it. Now, just like, oh, it's not going to matter. Like, I don't have to do that. I don't have to do the dishes today. I don't have to. And not to make that phone call, not to check my email. It's like it's so micro. And then those things like feed the Spirit that's going to eventually like become the Nazis, more or less. It's kind of like Jordan Peterson saying, it's like people don't see God because they don't look low enough. It's like it's so small every day, just like the tiny 15 minutes in the Bible, dude. It's like, not difficult. You know, I mean, it's not difficult taking out the trash. It's not difficult, but it's it's the whole thing is such as going to bed on time. Making sure you have enough sleep to make like it. Right. You have to like compose all these different instruments to create what is like the right moment, like having enough sleep and enough spirituality to be attuned to like getting up and wanting to read the Bible, aligning yourself within your story where those things are like you and making sense for you, or even if they're not, you're so committed to faith. Yeah, it's doing your best and giving it time to flourish for real. Because of your experience this time anyway. That's it. Please have. Anyway, it's still so hard. I get it, I guess sometimes it's so hard and I just think that's what it is to. I think that's what life is. Still. It's always too hard. It's always too much when I come from a vision or something. Before that push to limit time just is the constraint itself death itself? Yeah, yeah. The experience time. Before that, before talking about time dilation. That's somewhere in that range. Yeah. No, I think we're talking about the game itself. Like the, the experience that you're having. Okay. An old what we're talking about head medicine central, whatever we wanted to do. But we can't because time's the limit. Infinite time man. That's right. Regardless, the march though, we know you're super sick. Yeah, yeah. Did last call the last call me call Jordan Peterson. So what do people to go. Because I don't like well enough. The small micro-transactions with life create these horrible outcomes. I don't know I love that quote. Yeah that's awesome Jordan Peterson last night. He's the man. He's the man, bro. Yeah. Dude, what are we talking about? I was just looking for a lecture, and the first one was the sermon on the Mount, and I put it on. He's wearing this, like, super sharp blue suit. He just looked like the key was ready to hope on any, any spiritual entity. What are we talking about here? We're talking about all the things. Yeah. He's, He's in there with stuff. I can't wait for his comeback. Dude, I need it in my life. I'm so afraid. I'm just like it's Gandalf. Like it's so double door. Yeah. No, I'm like, we're going to lose Dumbledore at some point in the story, and it's going to break my heart. Yeah, that's like a true thing. He is a door dude uses. That's me up sideways. You just got me. No. That's hilarious. I didn't realize I was like, oh, I'm bleeding. Yeah, you. Yeah. You're right. Oh, man. That's him man. You called be Harry Potter, man. That's one of our Dumbledore's men. The youngest of many of those. Oh. But axioms, man, you got me over here. It's like this literary device as a kid, and I'm like. I feel like that's what I feel like with Jordan Peterson. I'm just like, oh, source of wisdom. Oh, he's like. It's like he's coming back with the one hand. Now after he got burnt trying to do big magic stuff for us, it's like, no, really, job he's doing is he's doing his part. He's doing his. But I'll tell you that right now. Yeah. I mean, he's doing his part. Yeah. So regardless if he claims to be doing it for it, you know, and this kind of what I'm talking about, this whole don't fit is one of the guys, bro. I'm telling you, the same reason why he's one of the guys is because he's just speaking the truth itself. You know, like me claiming Christianity. But just like analyzing, what are we what are we, what are we expressing here in the story and our interpretation of what the story is in its essence, at its truest form, objective reality, at least abstractly. Then we got to derive from that. Yeah, this is best. As we got, we can't put words to it. We can. We try. The. Yeah, come and see. Come and taste, taste and see. These are hard pill to swallow. That's the thing. That's, that's what makes all this difficult. It's like the high road's a hard pill to swallow. Let them get away with. It's a hard pill to swallow is what it feels like. But then ultimately transcendent place where you're like I love grace. I love like what is the extension of grace. Grace as an idea. The fact that it's a tenet of God. It's like that's the shifting of like where you can be spiritually. But at first it's just a hard pill to swallow. All of this like doing the right thing when it's when you're in the face of a good villain, you know what I mean? It's just something. I think I'm always like, come on, man. Like, don't you don't want to spend your life around the Christ like motif? There's so many things I see in people like, how do you know that's the right religion? Trying to commit myself spiritually, logically, I'm just like, yeah, there's a set of arguments we can get into, but like, just like that, the question that you have is, like, rooted in a thing that's like, you haven't had an experience where that would provoke you to want to have some faith that that experience means something. So how do I put you into that place? I'm like, I can't. God's got to put you in that place. Yeah. Which is, human, the human aspect of us, it's just so there we, we're building from there. It's like there's something else. There's like the earth to me, just like something created this. We want to call it the Big bang or whatever. Like we are here breath. You know, I hear breath, you hear breath. And we're here and this is real. It's like something created, this real experience that we both claim to be having right now. And to say that you understand the thing, like fully infinite. Finally sit down, bro. What are you talking about? How dare you? Oh, you're able to walk me through it like, legit. I could, like, combat you, you know what I'm saying? Or it's like. It's like what? A debate is right around. Right? But there's something going on there where they're both trying to tap into truth and how someone's doing it. How do we determine who's winning? Yeah, I think, I just learned that maybe Jung referred to it as like, a collective unconscious that we all have, that it's like when I talk about something like, you know what I'm talking about, and then we're, you know, we both subconsciously know that we're. We have to just talk about it in this space because it's all we got. So we both kind of just agree to like, engage in that. And then yeah, there's like a right or wrong like we feel it, everyone feels it. They're like, oh God, I'm no, no way. He was a bad guy. They are wrong. They are trying to steal from the people like in a court case. You know what I mean. But yeah I think that happens like an throughout time like tribes of councils trying to debate like should we go to war or should we let this person be king, how we deal with criminals. How we deal with the judicial system. Yeah. Justice system. What do we do. This debate things we try to do that with our politics. But it's a I guess a joke theater. And I guess that's just theater. Just theater. Yeah. To truly. Yeah it comes down to like let's talk of like abortion for instance is like the debate on that truly comes down to like, I think the correct argument is a Christian based argument, truthfully, in my spirit. But then if you're gonna like debate that, then like. You could just argue on the fact that that's a Western based ideology and it's not not accurate crisis. It's not we shouldn't listen to that, to those kinds of things in the Bible. You're misinterpreting. What are you interpreting? That's not something that is valid within the field of this debate. Like that's just a Christian view. But in reality, like as far as separating state and church, this should be like the legislation for like people that don't necessarily need to or want to engage with Christ. And it's just like. No. Like I don't know how to like, how do you debate that? Like. People do, or not to evangelize this woman right now. So have you laid contact with Christ right now? Otherwise, she's not gonna. It's the only way that the right thing is going to win is what I'm trying to say. For true justice to happen I'm like no you'd have to. It's the Spirit of Christ is the true justice here. And then you have to like then I need you to feel that with me. I need you to feel Christ right now. And then that would be transform into like what would be the agreed upon thing. But I guess there's a Satan stopping. That is what I'm trying to say. Crazy movement. Don't. The feminist movement turned out like being used in that type of light as well. You know, I'm saying the idea of like supporting females, it's like I love women, you know? Yes, lover. Absolutely. Come on now, friend. When I'm not trying to put women down, I'm here for equality and all that. When do we start to. Because this has been coming on for, I don't know kind of how long in our culture. Yeah. Because like when we can vote, you know, when we can vote at some point I guess that's like, see, like that's weird to me. But then like that guy, the reason that that's weird to me is because there's like a somewhat social injustice there to, like, determine someone not to be able to vote. As far as being like, consciously aware, to make the right choices. You know, I'm saying there's like a immaturity to that. It's like it's how free will is our immaturity. Just do what I think we want whenever we want to do it. I heard Jordan Peterson describe it as an explorative, the spirit of exploration. Okay, like when a baby is for his example was like, there's like an antique grandfather clock, and then the baby is like walking towards it or a toddler to, like, examine it or play with it, but then like, gets harshly yelled at because they're like afraid, like, oh, don't touch that clock. The clock. Just do not play with that. Do not engage with that thing. And you think like you're creating like a clear boundary for the kid, or like you think you're expressing value. And I value could be intrinsic emotional value that's like greater than you're like, this value is so important. Don't touch that. But part of what you're doing for them is all they're experiencing is their spirit of exploration. And engaging with life, being like, put subservient to what is something that's just like, in their mind, an immaterial object of the house. And they're innately like they're they should be more important in that moment or like they're teaching. There's a subconscious lesson that they're not as important as things, and that's not something you want to give to a baby's spirit of exploration. So that's like also what I feel like sometimes with our life with Christ is like our spirit of exploration is like important, but also it's like the part of the proportion of the symbol within us, like, wants to go and does go beyond the where the light touches. Yeah, yeah. I'm saying yeah, that there's something about that, that the spirit of that is a good thing. But then it ultimately puts you in situations where you have to understand the adventure. Right, right, right, right, right. That's like the press start and it's like player one here we go. We're locked in. Now the game begins like the story starts or like the Abraham's call to live a not so Thomas are like docile, chilling, hanging out type of life. Like a days ago, taking more conscious control of your willpower and ability to contort and distort time differently feels with the actions that you're doing and the behaviors that you're enacting. It's like, yeah, that's what we're here to do. That's that's what we're doing. That's what it is. If you're here, that's what you're doing. Yeah, it's a narrative. It's an adventure. That's what Jordan presented to like the call to adventure. It's like the most important thing. And we have a severe lack of that. And that's why he was popular. It's because he wrote a book about, like, the called adventures. Like it is filled with maximum responsibility. Yeah, yeah. That was, people responded positively to that. Victor. Yes. So sometimes I'll be like, no, I'll put the responsibility on the gold super go. I mean, yeah, he's he's a, he's Michael like we double door Michael Jordan or LeBron James debate. But then imagine being there for like prime Michael Jordan just being like this is this is rowdy. Like that had to be a different feeling than watching LeBron and be like this kind of reminds me of MJ. He's kind of one of the best ever. It's like a Tom Brady to to a degree as well. This is no he's another he's done right people and the young kids like Patrick Mahomes like he know nothing. You see nothing. Yeah yeah. Right. Different feeling. Different feeling. So tiny is great and all for sure. That's how I feel about Jordan Peterson Vienna. We're watching something special. Something special something special bro. Yeah yeah his this his lecture was crazy. I mean there were like in an all white room. Yeah, yeah. Visually stunning. I was just thinking about, like, the marketing, like the creative team behind his there. Our production value is second to none. It's like they hitting dogs. They're hitting dogs. That's a high quality content. Yeah, it's high quality H2O it's good water. Yeah. Fire. So yeah just go to hopefully comes back. Love that guy to death. Yeah JP walk into this podcast a day for sure. Oh man. What's up. What are you thinking. I should bring it back to what we're talking about or how we started in the beginning. We were talking before we even got onto the bar. We were talking about something and I think we lost it. But then we start talking about the merch and the situation. How would that merch and Brandon Lake. And then we were running wearing with it. That's a conversation I feel like that's. Yeah, if sometimes I hold a week. Sorry. Yeah. That's like that's a podcast is a conversation. Sometimes conversations just yeah, yeah, yeah. Give other. Yeah I got a real quick we are back to bring a good presentation for you guys. Holy weeks happening. Perfect. Holy week. Yeah. But how times comes out to be Easter day after. Could this be happy Easter when Jesus comes back any day now bro. It's got to be any day now. But I it doesn't matter for a week whenever it does on my hair for it. But if you guys stay ready, it's to stay ready and stand ready though. Feels good, feels good. Just getting more to the word, you know, just giving that more energy and yeah, gotta let go. It's gotta let go is like the ultimate openness. You got to let go but do your best. Like all at the same time. It's a whole lot, it's a lot. But you have to be there to express your free will to the max. To the best of your ability. But then also let go. Let us. We're subject to the nature that is our story that we're living out. We contribute to it that we're starting from. Like try to pray against the spirit of this. We become. It happens. We could just pause it. I was thinking on that, too. It's all good. Doves. Let let's let the spirit flow. So much. I was thinking about this pastor that was a came into our church and like. More or less evangelized to like three people in a very impactful way. I remember you telling me about the story. Yeah. And that just made me feel like, It was just interesting. What are they feeling? I don't what is he doing now? Just praying over people really is like the. And so you're praying over people in a way where okay, so like is this is what it is. I was right over you like prophetically speaks into their life in a way where I guess it's just true. I don't really understand that. And then it's so true that it's like transformative. And then he invites Christ into those places that he like, prays over. And then on some level, Christ just like, enters those places because, like, they're open to the prayer and they're like moved by the fact that he's addressing these things, that how should he even know, like my my inner wounds, the things that I need praying for? How should he know those things? But then there's something transformative that happens there. And then these people want to align themselves with the higher a higher calling. After that, a better version of themselves, which is like the remedy for the things that they're suffering from. That's like prayer, I guess, at a really high level. But it starts with the prophetic stuff. Is is what gets them. That's it. That's the that's the okay. That's how it goes. Scoring 80 points in it. Always it every. Yes. But I want to make of that. I saw another podcast clip where this guy was talking about. What about ask The Mentalist that guys on different stuff. What is he talking about? What are we doing with this man? Lock him up. I'll trust some these people. Oh, our minds and the way would, though, I guess we process linguistics and people and emotions is, like, somewhat hackable. There's, like, backdoors from different things based on processes. Like if you're at a bar and you just, like, go like this to people, they'll like, go to DAP you up and then you could just like flex three. So this guy, he would just pull out three Rolexes and be like, so I grow up. That was like, it's all content. Oh gosh. He just everybody that he had this one girl that he was like did it two or like four times. And he just kept being like, nah, I'm just like I'll just be like, now you're really cool, though. Sorry. What kind of watch you have? Oh, it's like, okay, where'd you get that from? All right. My name is Brody. It's nice to meet. You know, I'll just play. Yeah, it was rough, bro. He got out of a few too many times, but then the people in the comments were like, it's because these people are like. They have, like, we have, like, reactions and subconscious like. And then I guess a little pilot. Yeah. You can push people into like, thinking of certain numbers, I guess. Like how through his narrative does he like also he like researches all their lives and, and somehow figures out that they're going to say this thing. What have they been thinking about recently within the last 3 to 6 months? Yeah. Talking about thinking about he'll do one with the football team where he's like, tell me how you score the game winning touchdown. And it's like, we run this play and it's like, would you throw the ball too? He's like this guy. It's like, what's the final score? He's like this score. And he's like, boom, boom, boom. Like that's hard to explain. Unexplainable. But he's like I guess sets up the situation, knows him well enough to push him into thinking those things. That's crazy jujitsu, bruh. That is like 12th degree black belt mental jujitsu. Don't. That's like able to know people's like, card numbers. You know, it's like he just calls American Express says he, you know, when people's like, pin codes and stuff to their like, debit cards and stuff. In one sense, you could just stalk him. Yeah. Okay. There we go. You know, simple explanation. Usually they're usually the one that's that. That is the culprit. Pay someone to suck and pay multiple people to stalk him at different intervals. So your six months. Yeah. I need you to be a ghost. Yeah. This is. Yeah. You drive us to find out someone's pin number. Suspected thing. Be a ghost, be around, see him engage with paying enough times to have found that information. To confirm that information. Maybe that maybe he finds out where they go often and then sets up a fake ATM thing over the ATM thing collects all those card numbers, and then just doesn't use it for his maximum evil. These are explanations. I don't know how he's doing it. Explanations. Michael. Is doing it. But every everything that engages with the spirit of that is like, pretty much like the dark force. There's no like, seems a little odd. Yeah, it seems a little odd. He's like a dark wizard here. He's slither in here. Yeah, yeah. That's slithering. Yeah. You know. Yeah. This guy's doing his prophesying of the people's lives. That's heavy stuff to see in 2026. I'm like, I gotta go to this guy's search. I want to see what's up there. You know, he's a pastor of this church. And he came by and evangelize three of your coworkers. Yeah, in a shift. Yeah. Just going over and just praying over. Yeah. And then they were afterwards saying, like, sobbing, like emotionally overwhelmed. Yeah. Like, but I'll follow you, man. Like do that feeling process. Yeah. Yeah. There was like one like if that was happening on a scale of green to red, there was one very bright green and then one like yellow into green. There was green coming in there for sure. Undeniable green. You're like okay. It was not just a great experience but even perhaps a spiritual experience here. So like that guy that was nuts. And then the other one, I didn't really I just netted it's yellow because I didn't really get to gauge where that was. But and then like see, like a lot of transformational change immediately happening. First guy I was like, I'm going to his church this weekend. So I was like, you know what I'm saying. Kind of wild. And then I'm just like, that's is that's the kind of person I should aspire to be. It just like was is that I don't know, I don't know. Maybe that's what the spirit of the Christ like energy always feels like. It's, it's like I should be following that. It's like right in front of me. Just like that. Just like that. Wow. I just saw transformation. What the heck. That's like alarming almost. But yeah you can't deny the honor. How you we doing that. So this one TikTok was talking about this guy. This podcaster said he had an imagination of like a slingshot. And it started describing how a slingshot is like this thing that they're talking about. And they're like really? I don't know if it was a slingshot, to be honest with you. Some kind of like a bow or, okay, okay. Something about like, yeah, like a bow has to be, like, pulled back before it shot forward. It's like, that's what I feel like sometimes with these people that's like this story or that you're talking to me about. It's like, it just feels like you really have to be pulled back. But that's just like the force that's going to propel you forward to, like, hitting the target. And then he was like, pretty much like, where'd you hear that? And he's like, I just like, saw an image of a bow in my mind. And I just like, led with that. And I was like, it's like a bow. It's like, a oh, I got it. And then like, it's like, that's like prophesying right there that that's that's what that looks like. Like you had like an image placed into your mind and then you like prophesize like, I think this is what is being, like told to me right now. And I was like, okay, that's interesting. That's an interesting way to put it. Trying to understand what is this like speaking prophetically. That's some heavy stuff. They talk about some heavy stuff that's like deep magic. Like it's easy for Harry Potter because it's like there's like ancient magic they referenced sometimes in those books. It's like old lore. It's like Gandalf stuff in all of it, you know some different stuff. So there's like reference to like, yeah, I think I'm a pastor's wife. I don't I forget her name. Stephanie. Stephanie. Yeah. She was saying that. What is it? It's not superstition, but it is supernatural. Yeah. That's that's that's heavy stuff. So the supernatural, they don't talk about that. Just like every week, SBC or any church, you know, you don't want to feel like, how's it has a demon exercising and going, everybody, you know, it's kind of like it's not for first years. So there's something to that thing going on at all. When I talk about prophesying that, I just I'm trying to say, I think we reference and say like, yeah, that happens. He told the story about that guy that had a dream, and then he said his dreams. When he has dreams like that, he knows that they're true. And then told our pastor, oh yeah, about that dream. And then like, they held on to that until it came true. Okay. That's a that's engaging with that prophesying spirit on a high level in a way that's like kill. That's like heavy stuff man. That's like the upper limits of Christ. Beautiful story man. Yo. Yeah that's supernatural man. That's what you want man. Beautiful story man. It's like you really ask for. Yes. Yes okay. So again back to these people that have these big questions. It's like you have an engage with the supernatural like in a way that makes you. Like you're gonna have to transcend past like this. Like logical way of thinking about like your philosophy is built off a machine that is limited. Like, would you agree or not agree? Like, the hell yeah. I think that's you're using to create your philosophy is a limited machine. It's like you don't know everything. You are limited. You know, I'm saying you don't have the ability and capacity to know all truth. Just like simply you cannot like there's a reason you don't know every language. It's like we are limited. Just firewood. That's the game here. You're here bro. Like, this is what's happening here, bro. Yeah, and you're using this broken, limited machine to try to conceptualize infinity. Yeah. Like it's just going to be a failed attempt. Like. And the best you could do is make me feel some like legitimate and authentic. At least in your expression of what you believe to be true universe, you're not like not in line with me. So like you at least believe this. Like for real. Like he's you're saying it or something. Yeah. Yeah. That's the that's not that's the thing we can we metaphysically connect in a way with everybody because of our collective unconscious as a collective conscious to. For so we're using this our, our little pocket of conscious to try to conceptualize the entirety of consciousness. It's like it's just you're silly, silly for being so adamant that you are correct 100%. Right. Right. What makes you feel like that. Right. What makes you want to be like, no, I'm right. Like, I know what's going on here. Yeah, it's a must be a force inside yourself that's trying to like, find security. Establish order. Unknown territory. Yes. Yeah. I know this for certain. I know this for certain. I know this for certain. But yeah, it's, it's a, it's a like I get it, I'm. No that's not like an evil spirit. I don't think it's like almost a spirit of atoms. Like name everything. Yes. But at the same time, it's the wrong way to engage with that spirit where you're forcing certainty. That's like a to know that there is uncertainty and be okay with. That's a more difficult thing. It's more mature so it's more true certainty. More true certainty is built with a little dash of uncertainty. Yeah. The proper integration of chaos to achieve higher order. Jordan. Because like you don't know what higher order is. You know what it could be. You. Yeah. That's what it is. You know we have our, our dreams and wishes but it's limited which limited. No machines out here. Yeah. Our operating system is just not ready for that or it's not is not the same operating system. Right. That's wonder. That's wonder. Don't you want wonder in your life? That's where like, faith really starts, you know, seeing. Yeah. Yeah. You don't know I mean no, none of us really know. But we kind of can sometimes we could prophesy or like, see around the corner. Then love it. Love. That little metaphor is like, see around. What's the story of what's happening here and predictive analytics of what's going to happen next. Yeah. And then we even take that to the extreme or like make that more humanized and put more structure on. It was like probability statistics. That's even that is still just like we just don't know what's going to happen. Yeah. That's that's a 900% all the time. Sometimes you can. Yeah. There's this there's that spirit of certainty that, that can, it could that can occur, that can be a guiding force. It's a beautiful thing. It's like truly like and this moment I know like I know there's something deeper inside of me that knows what's going to happen next. And it's like oh it's like a feeling of spiritual being like I'm all in on that. I know you should be all and let's make a ton of money like this is it, this is it. It's like actually I need to make my next decision committed based on this thing. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Committed. And that's an important force. And I think if you use too much of your uncertainty like kind of BSing yourself, then you don't know how to engage with that spirit properly, to know when to truly go all in. So that's, that's a whole thing a lot of it. Yeah. That's I think Jordan Peterson says it's engaging with the spirit because it requires sacrifice and that's, that's costly like the the costly. So it's a different process that's going into our life. If you're going to perform sacrifice towards the spirit of these things, it's not spirit like ghosts. It's just like another word for something that you engage with. Another word is deity. Where's your sacrifice going. In the spirit of what. Yeah. But then deity is almost like sacrilegious. So they don't really want to use that word because it's like is a god. But the thing about the deity is that it requires a sacrifice to it. Like in a literary sense, it is the same thing because then things will happen, good or bad, in your life, depending on how you sacrifice yourself to this abstract ideals. A sacrifice to the ideal of laziness. You can engage with that spirit in a way that's like it's just a whole thing, or gambling or lust or gluttony. You can engage with love and grace and mercy and it's like, yo, can I understand higher or venture? Yeah. So yeah, that's what I'm trying to say is I think a lot of sometimes our struggle is just like misaligned engagement with these structures, with these spirits. Our sacrifices aren't quite our best sacrifice. We're not really we're not learning the lesson. We need to learn to have to keep like sacrificing the second best lamb 99 times. Yeah. Try to learn whatever you're trying to learn or whatever your whatever your story's pulling you towards. We're always learning. Yeah. Yeah we're talking about certainty. Yeah. We're always creating higher certainty. Who are you to know. I discern and to speak prophetically. It's like claiming to have absolute certainty right. Yeah. And then or if the ability for him to say something and then for that to be perceived by them as like, truly prophetic, that's just like a, that where, where's that certainty come from? Or like, you know, the same way you knew that the sure being a reference to Brandon Lake was like a thing. I think it hits you and like this. That's the thing. That's that's what I think is undeniable about this experience of like that. We happen that happens to you. I know, I know, Christ is engaged in your life on a level that's like trying to bring your awareness to it, at least about the bare minimum. There's more here. How are you knowing that then, when you really like watching that show? It's not. Yeah. We're like, so going to lead you to, you see March Madness be March Madness. And, you know, here we go, here we go again. Here's another one of the big cuz these people that want to hold out with logic against religion. I'd also heard the big killers. People who never get a chance to engage with Christ like a civilization that lives on an island with no technology. Are they all just doomed to hell? But I'm just like, I don't. Who who who knows? In some aspect, I guess. Yes, I guess as far as the the, the suggestion would then be like, just anyone who doesn't know or like, submit to the idea or adopt the ideology of I am the way, the truth and the life. Like it doesn't like put Christ in that category. So I can do like does that how it how what does that look like exactly? What does that mean to be truly like just like saved like that, I guess. Then the question is like, do you have to know it as the name of Jesus Christ? Or can you like, catch it as an energy or a frequency or a way to interpret your story? You know what I'm saying? Boom. Yes, that's a dunk on that question. I had the same argument, but I didn't put it as nicely as that was. That was great. And I felt it in my chest. While you were saying it, I was like, that's the truth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And who am I to say? Or, you know what the true nature of that answer really is? I think because even like the, like the thief on the cross, it's like him. That's like the ultimate example that that's what I that was one of the other bridges I bridge it to from like the idea of I was like, you know, the scripture was obedience is better than sacrifice. And then I was like, came up here with the hold on. I'm diving into the side right now. I was like, swim in. This is like infinity pool of this thought. And then it was the Abraham. It's like he didn't even need your sacrifice, just need your obedience. And then I was thinking about, like with faith that works, like, do you need like, what's the way that works as a kind of like the sacrifice and faith? Is that faith without no works or faith with no work is dead like. But then the thief on the cross, because he definitely didn't know works. And he defended, you know, baptism. But he was a Paradise. He was a Paradise, you know, he lived the opposite life, you know, so even like, considerably so the point where he was deserving of that death through. And then even then on the cross, he was like, no, like, I'm going to die to myself right now. This is this is wrong and that is correct. Like, that's what saw and. Yeah. And then what does that look like I guess is the, the change of the heart and that's that, that's it. It's the change of the heart. Because then yeah, then that, that point has to be kind of assumed, or at least my assumption is that the thief on the cross, like if he were to have lived through that experience legitimately, would have his actions have reflected that in his behavior and patterns of behavior. It's like I think, yes, you know, it's like there are direct that you don't do the works to be saved, but like you will be once you're like, your heart is on hardened. And I guess, like the mental aspect and the the spiritual aspect, the hope aspect and the changing the behaviors that are more conducive to positive results for you and everyone around you like doing that can happen. And changing into that can happen, but I guess it's kind of assumed that it would happen. I said, like the legitimacy of what it takes to get you to into heaven. Like you just have to have a heart for it. You only have to do any of it works. So then I guess, can that heart be applied to someone who is doing those works with that spirit within themselves, to do these things that have all the sacrifices to be made? So making those sacrifices in the name of that spirit, without knowing what that spirit's name is, it's like, is that more legitimate for someone who claims to be Christ in being a wife, cheating a wife? Jean, on a life. Yes. Lots more fuck yes. But no. But that that that sheep's more important than your sheep though to guess. But like God's going to get that person. That guy's attention is on that person. That's who's another day like another. Or like after we pass on that, another experiential part of this game, who knows what happens in this next May. We get like, you know, you know, one on one with the heifer. Oh yeah, I think I don't know, I don't know if it's spiritually based, but yeah, we have to talk to we will talk to God. Right? I don't know, we say that you also say you're going to be at the gates of heaven. With what? Saint Peter I don't know if that's a Catholic thing or what, but that's like another cliche. If when you die, okay, you're going to be at the pearly gates. Yeah. Waiting in line to make sure was in the book. I think, yeah, I think you engage with God and then you like, you go over the film. It's probably rough highs and lows and, and then at that point, like, I don't know, I think at that point there's kind of like a and what do you have to say about this? You know, and then our heart will pour out, you know what I'm saying? Like I imagine will be very, very, apologetic for us. And like everybody, like, overwhelmingly, we're going to be like, more than anything, I feel shame for not doing like, better for you. And then God's going to like pick us up and then like accept us into like what is him like the upper limits of the positive parts of our relationship. And that's what I imagine happens. Like I don't know I don't know if that's sounds about right spiritually based makes sense. But I always see like Kingdom Hearts doors behind him. Okay. And then we like, have this talk and then I, like, fall to my knees and tell him I love him and I apologize. And I should have been a better servant. I should know better. I mean, it's gonna be overwhelming. It's like the spirit of, like, your dad's coming home, like, I'm sorry. That was the mess. I'm sorry, I love you. I was out of. I should have out of. Just let the dogs run everywhere or, like, whatever, I don't know, I feel like that's kind of, I guess, like, if you're, if you're just, there's other times where you're doing everything the best you can, as hard as you can, as solid as you can. And you might be like, yes, I made it into the game. God, what's up? I'm waiting for this moment is awesome. But I just think, like the nature, the nature of us being sinners in that moment, we'll be, like, cleansed by God. Like, fully like, not worthy to be in your presence. Yeah, yeah. So I guess, is that. Limited to two believers. Does everyone have to go through that? I think so, I think so, right. Yeah. And I think every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord and nobody will not accept Christ into their life. Right. And and I think that's why somebody there's a theologian that said, like, Kevin's a real place, but it's empty and it's more or less because, like, everyone will have that moment with God and you will interact with God and every knee will bow, and you, you will know that that's you. We're just a sinner. You'll know you were just a sinner. Every moment that you didn't stop with this, you were just a sinner. And. And I think everyone will be ashamed. And then God forgives everyone because that's the nature of our dad. And then at that point, you have accepted Christ into your heart at that point. And then, like, that's what I'm saying. Like hell would be empty at that point because nobody doesn't have gone after the interact with God. But that might not be true either. You might not get that moment of like final forgiveness. But I just think that's also because that's what Jesus did is, you know, revered like that. That's why I think that's going to happen. But and so yeah. So what about that, that tribal that civilization. Right. Yeah. There's people engaging with the energy of Christ like behavior. I know that there that that exists that's happening there in narrative, you know. So I feel like there is it's the same thing like we have like a church, we have like a gym you can go to and like work out your spirituality. They don't have that. So it's really hard at Christ like en masse for them. That's kind of what I think about when I answer that question for people. But I'm just like you're looking for logic in a place where it's like you need faith. It's like how do I provide faith instantaneously. So people just prophesy like, yeah, that spirit of Jesus Christ walking in your life. Maybe you should like interact with that. Yeah. Sometimes the dialog just be coming to you man. If you're. Trying to be subservient obedient to it Christ like. March madness happening. Yeah yeah yeah. So then what happens when there's a bunch of kids following Christ but there's only like 1st March Madness one or that's another. Like people trying to conceptualize why aren't I, LeBron James? Like how is LeBron James Bryant James guy just made his life like with higher priority than mine. It's made him like a cooler experience. I mean, how do you how do you balance that if you're going to believe in God. I have a better or perceived better stories. I guess it's the part of the faith that your story is for you, and it's the best that it is for you. I guess there is like a maximum version of your story that you would enjoy the most that you can contribute to, and then God will give you something better than that, hopefully, or at least striving towards the like a good version of your story. I know man LeBron James pretty cool. Yeah you know you tell me my life's going to be better than what being LeBron James is like. I think there's an ongoing attachment to something that makes that hard to believe. I think every guy is like, I think I'd like to be Michael Jordan if I could trade places, not be a funny movie. Trading places with Michael Jordan. Tom Brady yeah, right. Jordan Peterson definitely. His argument against that is like you do not know what they and they had to go through to become that person. That's also big time. True. Yeah. Yeah. You don't know what they're carrying Doug. No it's like you don't do not be so like it's super foolish to be like oh that person's life. It's like bro like yeah. No. No. That's you know, you do not know what you're signing up for. The you that exist right now would suffer and die hard if they were just like snap and become that person. There's no way. But I think yeah I think what you're saying is true that your life is perfect for you. It's like you're going to attachment to what you think is perfect for you is usually rooted in, like, childish things like, I want to be a racecar driver. I want to have a Corvette in my garage or like, Like being cool, I guess. Like having a job you really respect for yourself. And I want to be respected. Yeah, yeah. That's you. Fans want to be admired. I want to be famous like Dave. Right? Right, right. If you want to be the king. But I shouldn't be the king. That's why John's not perfect. See? Why is that? The Jesus had to be the king. Why is that the thing? Like people. The people that want to be king really bad are like the ones that are unfit for king. It's like what? Why is that? Their projection for so they're not misaligned. Why is the projection the thing that disqualifies them is an interesting thing. It's like power P respect. And what is it. Yeah. No. No importance. Yeah. Significance. Wanting to rely too much on your egoic contribution. And so what you can create. Say I did this I did this. Yeah okay. If he's a machine to do this. Yeah. You're using someone's machine and it's even if it's broken, it's broken. It's limited. It's unlimited. We going to plug it in, bro. If you don't plug in your charger, you're you're going to you you're going to die. You need to sleep. You can't. It's broken. It's broken. The sleep thing. Yeah. I'm broke is not the right word, but it's limited at least. Bro, if you go a five days, a six hours of sleep, you are not cooking like that. You're not cooking like that. You got to get to sleep. It can't get to sleep how you sleep, but you got to get to exercise and take it. Exercise it, and you got to have slept within it before, you know, like a fairly it. Yeah, dude. It's a, it's a that's what's going on here man. Yeah, yeah I never really tied those two ideas together more. Now I have the more tightly something together with the idea of, like, working out is aiding, like, your ability to go to sleep a little bit. Yeah. Sometimes if you mentally just run in, like, inhibits some of your ability to just, like, shut off and go to bed. Absolutely. You know, but if you're like, worn out, exhausted, you're like, you're useless. Is this dude does it. Yeah. That's facts. Yeah. My sleep is really just regular from this one workout or just. Yeah, it's another too much energy positive aspect to it. Joe Rogan describes it like he describes the animals. He's like, there's dogs are like, need to work out. Like they have to go exercise their energy or they're like anxious and dysregulated and they don't know what to do with themselves. But then if they like or go out and so like I think you talking about Australian Shepherds, he's like, if you take them out and like exercise them for like a good hour, hour and a half a day, then then they're chill, they eat right, they're happy, they go to sleep at night. There's like the UFC fighters are like the same way. It's like there's people that are just like have this like you gotta like, get out that car on the street, right. And then bring it back in the garage. And that's like, otherwise you're not managing the car. Well, what a crazy thing. Well, that's a that's what the fun. No, that's that's good. So we're limited for sure. We're just limited beings. But obedience has been sacrificed to have it get that take with you. Heaven. Anything else you want to talk about? It was top of mind. We talked about March Madness, March Madness. It forced Frank forced Frankie Brandon leg Brandon Lake. It. Now I mean I'm not anything current culture I mean I guess oh Walcott's like for having forced Frank out of the rodeo in Houston. Yeah, right. That guy's always been. That's, kind of like. From who? From why? How serious was the flak? How heavy was it? Because I'm just like, man, who cares, bro? Like, what is it? You don't like the Christlike motifs or is it just say some punk in there, like when you put this kid on what you like? This must be some algebra. I don't know why you like betraying the brand like that, but what this means to me, you got this, like pop little TikTok artists on your stuff. Like, maybe that's like the flag. The fact is. Like, why you got Jesus in my Paul Wall? Like, hit the bricks, kid. Hit the brakes. Take a lap. Yeah, take a fat lap. It's like, aren't you tired? How was that working out for you? Like, goodness gracious, I can't imagine the life. I wasn't drinking water. It's all a silly life. The silly string, silly thing. So to every single day you cramp and you're dehydrated, your head hurts. Drink some water, man. Repercussions. Spiritual repercussions for. Yeah, there's a there's an eight right there sitting right there. Someone's favorite part of a favorite song. Sounds. That's something there's there's there's things. There's will and consequences of our will. Results of our will. And I think our will are like the fourth in which we can use our will as a result of something else. Outside of that. Yeah. So it's like, yeah. And it's like, okay, what are you going to do with it now? It's like you can like make it this or, you know, act upon that in this realm based on that energy, or you can wrestle with it and then act in this realm based on a different energy that you shifted to with your willpower and your mental fortitude. You're battling with the demons, the mental synapses, to do the things that you know you're not supposed to do in the midst enough to see. No need to fire that make things more smooth, more efficient. Yeah, dialing the time properly. Yes. With this in. Go this way, go this way. When you say that there's forces outside of yourself that are pushing you to making choices at those forks beyond yourself, that's like. I also think that's just part of the narrative. Like when it says, like, God wrote a story for you or has a plan for you sometimes. Yeah. It's like. Our will is making bad choices. But then also that's like part of our hardening of our character or like the kiln that we're in, the fire that's making us more holy. Part of the engaged game, it's a better to view it like that. The same thing with a kid making a bad choice that it's an exploratory process and they need to learn that touching the stove is hot and will hurt them more than you need to yell at them for touching the stove on some level. But you don't want to see your kid get hurt and you obviously can't. You don't want them to actually burn themselves on the stove. That's bad. But like the learning that that's what that is, is the thing that's happening right there. I think that's kind of the same thing with us. Like sinning. But it's just so it's just so there's so much reverence for, for Christ I feel like to want to be like. I think that's how you handle people. Grace though, it's like this is an exploratory process that they're struggling with or not understanding. And they need to like, get it right that, that that's where I think grace can come from, because most of the time on surface level, you're like, that's disgusting. It's like, why are you talking like that? Are like, why? Why are you so certain about things? You know, it's gross because we have a reverence for Christ. Why so sin over there. What makes you think you know anything about anything. We just start talking about. Yeah. That's a higher level of talking about things. But they hit you with a prophecy that only they can know are they are the mental issue. It's like what's going on there We don't know that guy. It's like pause, pause everything. Pause everything. Yeah, immediately. You're like, supernatural is happening. There's this evil. Like, that's that's the first thing. It's like an impossibility away. But there's like a kid at work on another work at the at the gym and, like, clocked in us. He's like, have a good life, man. I was like 18 and I was like, oh, so you have a good day. I'm the one you want to lift. Yeah. And then he was like. I'm trying, man. But I just got too much stuff going on or like, I can't have a good day right now. And I was just like, that's strange dialog. And then I'm like, I think I don't like no man thinking it better. Like, get it lifted. Thanks. I'll feel better for sure. And I just like, keep walking. And I was like, what is that? And then at this moment, like, in that moment, I wanted to pray like, like, can I go, like, pray with you? But I was also like, kind of run late to work. So I prayed for him in the sauna and then I walked back in the next day, I was like, hey, man, it's good to see you. And I was like, kind of, I pray for that guy. And I felt in this one I was like, I can definitely I feel the urge to pray for him and just like, tell him things are going to get better. Like I don't have specifics on that. I don't feel certain about any specifics on that. But like, I know if he can just like hold it down or like wait for the next season, even if things are bad, get worse before they get better. Almost like things will get better for you. Like don't. You're coming from a real dark place. Like, I promise things will get better. If you ever needed someone to tell you, things will get better. Like for sure man. And I pray on that. With God behind that. That's kind of what we're doing. We're prophesy over people kind of saying like, have faith, be strong, hold tight. Things get better. Wear the red hat. On Thursday. But that's not really. I mean, I guess maybe if you have like that seems almost like a. Astrology, which is demonic, I guess, you know, take the left turn. As a pastor, Mossad is like talking about Sagittarius with the blah, blah, blah, blah blah. And I'm like, oh, so demonology, Something along those lines. And I was like, yeah, I get that, bro. Like assigning spiritual power to forces that aren't Jesus's. Not a star. Worship it. It's just there. We're looking at it. Yeah, right. Worship. It's just gravity. Things that are here, man. I'm not saying that they're God. The stars be doing like there's got to be creating them though. The moon, the stars, everything. All of it. So I'm saying, oh, worship any of it. Thing with the foot. The thing that created it. You know, I'm saying, yeah, I do. There's times where Mercury is a retrograde and I'm like, I know something going on now. I'll be like, what's going on? Just the camera is Mercury retrograde is here and right now. And I'm like, I can just like feel that in my life. Stories get like ebb and flow, you know, woo woo woo woo woo. Thanks. We happen. Oh, you're so right Tammy darling Tammy Dallas your perception of things are are they asked to be perceived per se. Like. Yes it's out there bro. You know that. You get it. As I'm getting older, sometimes I'm just like, yo. Like there's times where I'm having, like, real good days and, like, that's fascinating. This is fascinating research. 15 minutes of the Bible, you say, was it's been my whole life. It was the now like, if you just watch my gamma I like sat down and read the Bible, almost like I'm teleporting the bridge. Like put the book away. And now I'm doing laundry and cooking and dishes and packing, like performing for tasks that once like versus another day of that same time with me, like go back to sleep. It's like, that's a that's a crazy POV, that's a crazy POV switch. Yeah. But at the time just be you start stacking those check boxes. It's everywhere. I see it everywhere. Like just showing up with enough time to do the thing that you need to do. And the way that it's called to you always has some amount of friction no matter where it is, anywhere. So I'm like these are so these things historic a typical man like my friend. Things will be better. Specifics aside, it's like she's working on your life. Just like, hold it out. Make the right choice. Stay true. You not done moved, removed, remade or destroyed? Sorry. We're still in the game. Yeah. That's it. Still in the game. God. Working? Yeah. You're suffering one last. Yeah, right. Like the shift always ends. A lot of carry the mantra from restaurants or restaurants. Like they always go home saying, yeah, I never see no one sleep here before. Like, not overnight. Yeah, yeah. I've was explaining same thing to the host. Yes. She said something like, I don't know, something misaligned. I thought about a negative interaction with the guests or these people or whatever or something. I was just like, they always go home, you know, no matter what happens. Oh, they're always gonna go home. A lot of them are already gone home. If you have not had gone home, yeah, then they're going to be gone and then it's going to be over. As the next keep on pushing. Yeah. Yeah I was thinking about that with my coworkers. Like that doesn't really help me right now. So it's like I know I know but it will, it will pass then of us. Yeah. You ever had a shift like that. So anyway you're so in it. It is so in it. Yeah. But it ends. It does. But while you're there because it's like, oh it's uncomfortable. It's real. Oh, man. Yeah. That's going to take a long time. It's been a long time. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes. Yeah. It's funny. Most of that is just like, expectations not meeting reality, which is where a lot of negative feelings are derived, which is an extraction of just life when it is predictable and predictable, predictably positive. That's like what we're looking for here. That's like an experience however. Jordan Pearson was kind of explaining that it's like an the worst thing is that people things are constantly having happening, not how you thought they were in a way that is negative. That's like pure chaos. Yes. And so we're fighting against pure chaos by trying to have expectation meet reality. It's like dinner can be like an exact an exact replica, reflection of that. And then you got to deal with people's, like, harshest attachment to what is, like, the archetypical thing in life. This I'm saying, like, we're serving and working out of restaurants, but you. Hey, why is that what I'm doing? Or am I, like, getting micro training in the spirit of that? You know? Yeah. We could wake up in a hut. Angel soup. It's like you die and you're like, boom, here we go. All right, well, you just made up Tutorial Island. Let's go, kid, it's like I fly it around. Yeah, darling. It's possible. It's possible. I suppose I was in the finality. Nobody. And we'll find out. I think we should all go watch Dave Smith on Joe Rogan. Okay, I think I heard it. Did he catch you up politically? Yeah, a little bit for sure. Okay. He always does. It's like first fight his like it's his role in my story. Yeah right. That's why I signed him. Seems like that's what he does. Listen to those podcasts. That's what he talks about. Yeah. Me too. More politically inclined Jonah. So I think we should all everyone everyone go listen to day Smith over the next week on Joe Rogan. One of the like the last ten episodes for sure. And then we'll talk about politics next week. Okay. I feel like we should talk about politics. It's like crazy. I don't talking about we shouldn't go to Israel this year. Because like, they're and they're at war. He's like, what are you talking about? Going to Israel in October? That's like an average. That's what the mission trip is for, like CPC. And, yeah, I try to do that. And then he was like, dude, like two days ago. They just officially where they are officially at war with each other. And I was like, okay, that's what I do for me. Yeah, yeah. It is just like they're like bombing places like this. Not it's not a good time to be an American in Israel. Like, well, they're literally at war with that, right? That is like, a nightmare movie that's like, don't do that. I was just like, oh, sure. Yeah. Then. But then he said he was going to Israel, hopefully in, I guess, 20, 27. Okay. And then he said, well, we could go with him if we wanted to go with the church. And then we should. I say, yeah, let's take this year off. It's also really expensive. Like, not really because of all we go to, but I think, like, I can make sure it's as least expensive as it has to be, but it's an expensive experienced in like probably like 2 or $3000. If you had it saved, that would be like super good. But. A worthy thing, a worthy thing for sure. See I'm trying to do this. Super cool. Do it. Israel's my dad. But we should talk about politics because like literally like right there. What are we doing. What can we please everyone just be chill. Catch me. Chill, bro. I don't even know. I don't even know why it's happening. Is it a terrorist group? Is it the country? I don't even know why it's happening. We just know what we're told. That's a yeah, yeah, I guess Dave Smith is someone who's kind of looking into what we're told and then trying to organize it and see what's, what makes the most sense, what's being left out. Why is it being told this way? It's like that. We're that's that's all we can do. Yeah. Because we're not in the rooms and determining what is the narrative that we put out to people about anything. Yeah. Like those rooms are out there though. Someone's doing that. Most people are in politics because they believe in certain policy. But then it's like, how do you in that position? It's like you have a spirit that is trying to understand which policy we should align ourselves with. And then there's a part of you that wants everybody to align themselves with the spirit of that policy. And then that's part of what politics is, is debating with people and trying to convince them that your policy is the best policy. And it's like, that's a weird thing to be interested in is what Jordan Peterson says. Well, it's derived from initially just wanting to understand like value or like what is important here. Like how should we align ourselves as like the initial question, how should we navigate forward. Yeah, yeah, that's the initial question and gateway to it. It's like politics can be like a proxy for that, for people who don't understand how to like, integrate that with a spirituality for God. And so I'm like, your politics are bullshit and all you want is to you want a relationship with Christ. You're you're trying to make policy. It's like there's policy. It's Christ like behavior or like the Christ like motif is the policy. So yeah. But anyways we can listen to American politics and catch everybody up to. Yeah. Yeah. But Dave Smith yeah. Life is crazy bro I don't know. Tolerance matrix Jesus. Come back anytime soon maybe this Easter. Oh we had a great Easter Lenten season coming to an end. And we're pushing. As a cliche kid doing the best, that's all you can do to the micro. That's it. Go to sleep. That's it. Don't take the melatonin. Go over. Go. This part and hard as you can, and it's worth it. That's all I get to the end of time. And billionaires love the merch. Love y'all. Can the people get this for question? Yes, they get this. Yeah. It's on there. There's a link in the description okay. If you want to get the King of Hearts shirt Jesus. The King shirt. Also Jesus is the main character shirts. I think there are five shirts on my roster. They're literally my starting five, I guess. I guess. Click the link in the description. 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