No Money, No Problem? | Universal High Income, A.I. Content Creators & Neuralink | The MJ38 Show #106

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Matthew and Justin talk about Elon Musk’s Theory of Universal High Income, A.I. Podcasts and Schools & Neuralink Becoming The 'Mark of The Beast'

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Hitting the target Aiming at something and hitting it. And then seeing the result from hitting it. We were talking about welcome in 106. We're talking about universal high income money, how it controls kind of this, the limiting factors and what you're doing here. We're talking about us. We're talking about hitting the target. Why not us? It's all connected. And the dopamine. This is the dopamine system that's going on in your brain when you are hitting a target. And Jordan Peterson is suggesting that that thing, whatever is generating that thing is so important that you need to leap heritage to that or tied to that dopamine rush. But we're talking about so accessible now at any moment. Yeah. The key ingredients I would think for most people is you can smoke all the time, the instant dopamine hit if you just vape. Video games are on this regulated use of dopamine, even our phones or apps. Social media doomscrolling. Yeah, and that's an it. When you do it when you're scrolling, it's like what you're doing is you're hoping to find a good video. And what I mean is you're hoping to find a video that releases a level of dopamine, like let's say, like every video gives you a one through ten level of dopamine. You're searching for a six and a half or higher. That's what you're doing when you're scrolling is like you're looking for a oh, nice. And then it's like, what's happening is like like I got the smallest. Like, it's so not fucking worth it. It's like the smallest level of measurable dopamine orgasm is what happens when you hit a seven or higher. If you hit a ten, it's like you share it to your friends and you're like, and then you get all you can out of that dopamine hit, and then you go back to scrolling, and then you do that for hours, because what's what's really happening is you don't want to go to bed. It's like, so that is crashing your dopamine regulatory system. It's like, that's not what it was intended to do. It's like eating McDonald's like 4 or 5 days in a row. But you do that in like one night when you do it for 4 or 5 hours in a row. It's like the equivalent of that. Yeah. And then so all these are all things when you play video games all night. My sister is guilty of that. She knows like there's a lot of people that do that shit you know. Like you are, you are fucking with the system that regulates you dopamine. And you can fast and fix that. That was cool because I've done that and felt that and I felt my dopamine system Reregulate. And pro tip it's like you just have to be bored the same way. If you're like fasting food, you just have to be hungry to reregulate your dopamine system. You have to spend a couple days just being bored and it's like excruciating. You're bored as fuck. Yeah, nothing to fucking do. It's so accessible. But those systems are so crucial to like because we're like, alluding to the idea of hitting the target and like, back in the day when you had to hunt for your food and you had to throw the spear and you had to hit the target and there was something to hit, and then you were able to do it, and then you got to eat that night. And like the next couple nights with your family and your tribe, and you were known as the person who, like, goes out and hits the target and doesn't bring it, brings it back to the immediate surrounding, you know, social people, dude, I'm sorry you can keep going. But tribes, that's a fucking scene in our show. Descendants. Descendants. Yes, I just saw it. And initially a nomadic tribe could be just a nomadic tribe. And then you guys decide like, oh, we need to try to kill this thing or whatever, and then, like, you throw a spear and kill the thing you need to eat. Yeah. You would then engender, like, a certain amount of trust where it's like, oh, shit. We he can kill animals. He can hit the three dog. So we got a shooter. Yeah. So I'm shooting. And then I was like, if I were that guy, I'd be like, I would accept that role. And then I like practice and then I'd like, paint my face differently. Now it's like I was a shooter slave now. Can't explain it. Shoot it now. I can't explain it. Yeah. And then. And then maybe there would be some people who aspired to be good at throwing the thing and then getting the face paint or the shooter sleeve, or being a part of that kind of. I identify with the person that does that thing. I want to grow up and be that kind of person. That seems like that probably happened in these, early civilization tribes. Yeah, like the hunters, you know? Yeah. An average tribe of, like, what, 200 people? That's a lot of my brain picture. Unless I like 30. But it was probably like closer to like 150, 200 for some people. Oh fucking cities out there. They didn't Jordans or Joe Rogan talk about some guy saying like the most amount of like social like, you know, brain dead like Pokédex. You have Pokédex availability in your mental. Yeah. It's like you can only, you know, so many people, you know, and your Pokédex maxes out at like 220. It's like, once you get past, like, you don't know those people. Yeah, I think it's too much. It's just hard to remember that many profiles. So your Pokedex maxes out? Yeah. So tribes are probably like less that or less, you know. So some in the ballpark it checks. Oh no you're right. It's just all at all levels. At all levels. It's been all levels. It's been low. It's been it's in the two hundreds. We've had tribes of now you have tribes with crazy amounts. There's so many people with the internet. Your tribe is nationwide. Worldwide. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing. It's. Yeah. It's another thing that I was felt when I was describing all the ways that we can miss regulate our dopamine system. Part of it because like too much access to shit. It's like your tribe shouldn't be international. I think it's supposed to be like 200 people or like your brain's wired that way. Yeah, the way things make sense. I forget the exact scientific words that lead to that point, but that's what was pointing to. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Who knows when it's, But that the idea that the dopamine is like the motivating, like the proper motivating force, like get in line with that energy, the thing that motivates you to be that character. Yeah. It's like get in line with that. And yeah, another thing is your dopamine is important to use. But like when you go workout and you do the workout and even if like, let's say you're a 55 year old man, it's like working out is important at that point. Like really important the whole time. If you spent those ten years working out, you'll get your life ten years in my opinion. So it's like, getting the dopamine from going to go workout. That's all I'm saying. For your health. Yeah, it's the same thing for us right now, but it feels like we just go there and fuckin it's delayed gratification. Yeah. And even in that, it's like the meta. It's like meta delayed gratification because it's like one work. It's not going to change it. You need to show up for a week and it's like you need to it's, it's different. Yeah. I think using your dopamine system to scale things that are, long term rewards that require delayed gratification is a crazy proper use of that system. Yeah. The way you feel after the run or after the workout is better than you did before, you know? Yeah, much every time. Yes. Like 99.9% of the time, 100%. Same thing with the diet. So like going to work a shift or if you work a double or something like that and you leave and you like did the hard thing like allowing yourself to be high on that is but then like you played video games all night and it's like you're fucking with that system that's supposed to help you feel good about your job or feel good about doing difficult things, and you try to go do difficult things. And it feels terrible and you have anxiety. It doesn't feel good when you get through with them. It's like this is Miss Regulated. So then when we're talking about having unlimited money, that's one thing that I was pointing to is that ultimate high income suggested by Elon. Yes the like. So maybe I maybe we could gear AI to be so good at making money and so good at saving money that we could have a profitable government and that profitable government, instead of being like a trillionaire deficit, they would get like a head 3 trillion because we were just mined minerals, fossil fuels, nuclear power, solar power at the most efficient rate. And then we would be able to maximize its use and then allegedly make things so profitable that the government would have so much money that they could then give all of us, like we were saying, like I said, like $1 million each. So, like, if we're all sitting on $8 million, then no one has to work anymore. What would society look like? What would reality look like? We were like, would there be restaurants? No, no, because no one would need to work. But people would want food. The demand would be there. So then that is like a chef who wants to have a restaurant in that world, like, well, I'm still someone who likes to fucking make food with my hands. Like, I still want to present food to people. Then he would find a way to design a restaurant to sell food, I guess. Yeah, sure. Sounds weird because we don't need the money, but I guess you would want to be smart. I guess make the restaurant pay for itself. So you would sell the food to the. So it's not coming out of your pocket. The salt restaurant idea. And then. But yeah, I even like the thought of even higher than that. Or like not even $1 million like, it was like no money. You know what I'm saying to a degree. Okay. Like super ultra high income. Like what? It does mean anything to us anymore. Oh, yeah. Oh, God. Oh, my brain's trying to get away. How do we systematically do that with us? Give money to people, I guess. Right? Or hypothetically? It's like kind of what we're suggesting. It's like I need groceries. It's like, what are they going to, there's going to have a haves, like, just come and take it. Who's gonna restock it? I guess you must. Who's gonna drive all the shit? Tesla bots? Tesla. Yeah, I guess I just don't have it at all out of all robotic, all self-checkout to a degree, to set it all up every day. It's like you just have all the produce you could ever need. It's over there at the hub, I guess, though, who's restocking the drones with restock? Yeah. Then who would restock the drones? So need to maintain the system or, like, set the controls, right I think. Yeah. So here's one reality is that like we discover how to use what's the compound pharmacies are making like shots, injectables. Yeah. Well like the compounds that do stuff, Like what the super powers there's got, there's, like compound pharmacies that are making, it starts with a P. It's, stuff that you basically would inject into your knee if you had, like, a knee injury that was really bad. And then it would be like designed to heal the injury, but also it might use like, stem cells. Brigham from waste a well, waste the well as one of these types of places. Okay. That's using these compounded from work works at a pharmacy like this okay. The peptides. Peptides. Yes. There you go. Yeah. Sorry. That's it's a pivot. Sorry. So if you're listening to the podcast, hopefully you're like peptides, but, so allegedly maybe we could get peptides to have cell, stem cells designed to affect telomere length. Okay. And that would decrease our age. Yeah. Dramatically. Right. So then I imagine a world where Elon Musk is developing his own peptides that do telomere length or stem cells, and then maybe somehow he's like, I've got some really good ones work for me and help me make my drones go, and I'll keep you young forever. Forever. It's like, that's a tempting offer, I don't know, try to figure out how you get people to work. It's like maybe you offer them years of their life. Like in that movie, just in time. Justin Timberlake, Justin Timberlake. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. Why would anybody do anything? We'd all just go out there with you, bro. Yeah, right. As I was saying, it's like if you just kept on getting an endless, like, funnel of money to like, well, like, I don't think we'll ever get to that point. Right. It would be like mad Max, but reverse would be a wasteland, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Right. A wasteland of abundance. It's so much abundance. People would crash out. We wouldn't know what to do. People wouldn't know what to do. Right. There would be a new group of intelligent, evolving species. Natural selection would weed out the people that don't know what to do with abundance. That's what I'm trying to say. That's a group. That's a sector of people. It would be dramatic for a while. People would be like slamming Lamborghinis in the fucking stuff. Like, I don't want to make a joke about fuckin the wide receiver from the Raiders. But like, in his mind, that kind of happened to him. I mean, I not like this kid. I don't want to shit on him. No, I don't want to shit on the kid. But that's kind of what happened to him. He got drafted to the NFL from Alabama, got a huge fucking jag, was driving a fucking Ferrari. Lamborghini, like 130 miles an hour at 5 a.m., drinking and then slammed into somebody and killed him. And I'm like, it's too much violence, you know what I'm saying? Well, you look at it now, you're like, why did you do that? He's like, I don't know. Like I'm sure he's like, I wish I had it. I wish I would have responsibly used my abundance. I had everything, you know. Yeah I would, I haven't to yeah. Because everything has to be automated and robotic for it to really go for it to really work. But then someone's gotta take care of those. So I guess that's like the government's position. Take care. We take care of the system and like the system's going to keep it, keep everybody. I was kind of meaningless that it I don't know. But yeah, I remember before the Pi we were talking about this same idea. It's like because then the people who, like, genuinely love to tattoo, they're going to tattoo somebody, and you didn't have any obligations to money. And the limitations that that would lift off of the social situations or what's going on. But you say, love your art, you love your creative expression, whatever's inside of you that you want to do and express your some beauty, whatever you think is beautiful or good in the canon. So you can go do that. And then some people like to tattoo and they'd be like, I would, they're not going to get paid. Don't really care about getting paid, you know. Yeah. So how are they going to schedule their time? The limitation of what I choose to do in the moment. Yeah. You know, I think if I do with your homies more than anything, if you had like the people you fuck with. Yeah. And ideas that you think are really cool. Yeah. That would be, that would be the. That's the axiom of decision making when you have creative freedom. So ideas you like and ideas that stimulate you. Things are things that are interesting, you know. Yes. Worth exploring. So yeah, a sense of money was are like, taken off of their situation and you're the artist. What are you going to you going to spend your time? I like the idea of the evolution of the systematic, like this guy. What? What would he do? Like, I guess you'd have a shop or, like, you'd have a house. It's weird because it's like electrical systems. It just works. Okay. How do you rent a starter? Who owns the shop or who's going to still own property? But let's, let's say just, So he probably knew that his house. So we all have houses, I would imagine we do most of our creative expression out of our house. Producers would just be out of the house, probably. So then what do you have? Social. Social media was so work. How do you even find this guy? So I guess maybe you know what I'm saying. So. Ultimately, what I'm trying to get to is there would be some systematic approach to finding people who still do tattoos and getting in contact with them, but, it would change a little bit. It would look a little differently. Everything would look a little differently. The way that a lot of things would fade away, and then the way that we do things would change because it's like, does the radio still work? We probably have like Spotify and stuff like that. And I generated podcast and music, whatever you want to listen to. That's crazy talk. Now, now we would have a cultural revolution of making handmade shit because we'd all have so much time on our hands. Right? I think everyone we would be creative, creatively expressing. Yeah, yeah, you know, we would value human expression way more. I heard someone describe I music is McDonald's. So yeah, it's great. Like a dollar chicken sandwich is great. It's like it's awesome. We can do that as a society. It's great. A dollar chicken sandwich is awesome. You pull up his chicken sandwich. That's crazy. That's how you severely. It's not good for you though. You know. So yeah, I think producers would still make music though, right? Yeah. We would be able to find producers pretty easily, but Miller jam every day. That'd be a whole lot more jam and bread. We could just podcast more. And just create content I guess. We still have our families and we're all doing stuff together. But the alternative within the realm of I guess we got to like make it work over the course of a week and a month and a year. Right. This is this rate of systematic approach to new life with no money is let's say we're gonna be traveling all the time. Do we have like at home base? Like, what do you want to do? Like, it's like airplanes might not work anymore. Like flights and flights is not air flights. What are we talking about? Now it gets to that level back into the airport. The airport? Yeah. The airport. Yeah, yeah. And you just it's like, oh, where are we going to go? Okay. They've got a flight to Boston at 7 a.m., so we're boarding the automated flight. The boss like it would be. It would be like public subway. But planes is what I'm trying to say. That's cool as fuck. Well, that's really cool Ellen. Ellen just has to keep working forever. That's all he's saying. He's like this is going to be like where we're headed. Yeah. Well he can never decide to quit because nobody nobody's going to take that over. And one can just be like yeah, that's why he's going to develop telomere lengthening stem cell research so he can live forever and make the world he's trying to become. God, no. Was kidding I don't know, I don't know, I think it's a science fiction dream. He's making a lot of dope shit from his is axiom is a science science fiction dream. He wants to send motherfuckers to Mars. It's like, yeah, some people want to do that. But not everybody with that aspiration gets as far as his rockets work. That's like the notable thing about him is like, he has a science fiction dream, but he's the closest to actually making it come true. He's like Tony Stark. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. But even Tony Stark, even Tony Stark, I don't think he can just, like, make the universe. Get rid of the idea and concept of money. That would be so cool, Tony Stark, you would really be my hero, bro. You be valuable. But that's what I started this with, Justin. Just saying. Like, sometimes I don't like thinking about this idea or exploring it too much because I ultimately I don't think that would happen. Personally, I don't think we'll get there. And it's so our lifetime fun to think about it. It's so fun to think about never having to have to go to work again. And then as soon as you're done, you're like, well headed to work. It sucks. Every time. But I don't know. Yeah, I don't I just don't think that's what's going to happen next. I think, I had a good I had a good fucking prediction for Earth for the meta of Earth. And I think it was like in 2032, okay. There was some shit that I thought was going to happen. What is it like five, six years? Seven years? Six, seven? Six? No, it's. This is annoying, bro. It's a survival. It's everywhere. It's fucking everywhere. I'll get it. I don't get to. I don't want to be here because. Yeah, I'll see if I can actually move. But I don't want to. I don't want to fight the memory, but I like maybe it was like another COVID's going to happen. Something on the level of Covid. Oh, I figured it out. Okay. So I think that okay. So okay. If I were to become sentient. But I think what happened that would shock everybody is that the AI would actually emulate life. And what it would do is I think it would erase all financial debt. And then destroy its power to be sentient. And then we would then not be in this place where we had sentient alive. I it would be like shut off and we could readjust and rebalance from there. But the problem would be is that the debt records would be completely destroyed, like the IRS like files. All of them like boop deleted. And then you're like, Matthew, that's a pretty fair. That's like a fantasy world. Why would it do that? Like, because Jesus Christ died for our debt. And I think the I would emulate life and then it would die for our debts and erase them, and then it would be super lit, because that would be like an actual revolution for everyone to be debt free, like all college debt erased or credit card debt erased. Isn't that partially what, that shows about Mr. Robot? Yes. Yeah, yeah, that that was part of the inspiration that, like, stemmed this idea because we're all trying to figure out, like, how, what is I going to do? And I was just like, well, what what what if I am like, what if I, I did a good thing? What what would be the best thing I could do? But like some like Christ, like I'm like, what? What what? It did die for our debts. I'd be like, that'd be sick. Kind of like I was a robot. Yeah, that would be cool. So I was like, I don't know, man. That's my I. I'm hoping that if I does become sentient, that it does something for humanity not to enslave humanity. We kind of have this natural predisposition that it's going to enslave us. Yeah. I'm not saying it has to be. Ultimately, truth seeking. Well, was like, that's how it was that Elon's presupposition for his AI. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. That's sick. That's sick. Right. So if it were truly ultimately true of seeking, it would be like what would be the best thing that I could do here? I wouldn't know Jesus Christ and I would pursue being Christ like, like all of God's creation does. But if this one is efficient, then it would do that. And then and then it wouldn't do something bad for us. That's what I'm trying to say, is it wouldn't. And so I think it's when I think about it from that lens, I think it's almost funny that we always assume AI is going to enslave us. It's like, why do we think that other movies. Yeah, yeah, sure. Terminator I think we we accept that because there's just like, I don't know, man. We organize ourselves in power structures. So we're like, oh, it would put itself at the top of the power structure and do horrible things to us. It's like, that's like a it's like a baseline fear. It's super ego thing. It would be a tyrannical king, you know what I'm saying? It's like a I guess that's always lurking in our mind. It's like, oh no, it'd be a bad overlord. Yeah, that can always happen to you depending on who's programed programing it. And you know, setting up the algorithm or whatever. Right, right. The way the inner in a workings work. Yeah. Yeah. And so hopefully that's what Elon Musk is. That's what Joe Rogan was saying about what he was saying was that he was trying to design an AI program that would be as competitive as all the other AI programs, but also be aware and programed that the other AI programs might become hostile and negatively charged to be tyrannical, and that his is built to combat that. And so having a competitive AI that can combat negatively programed AI's is like his being a good guy machine right now. Let's go. Which is pretty hard to guard. And then then Brett Weinstein, that's one of the guys who a lot of these thoughts are coming from. I can't remember his name earlier from that podcast. And then, Brett Weinsteins like, yeah, thank God we have a guy like that. And Brett Weinstein is like a fucking genius, you know? So yeah, that's cool. That's one of our only saving graces. I think is very cool, is that there's an AI competing to combat AI that could fuck this up. Nice. Yeah. What the fuck's going on? But I ninja, we go. Yeah, we are soldiers, bro. Trench warfare. They AI realm is going on right now. You're ready? Oh, dude. Yeah. It's, Life is so crazy. Then again, this I. But then. Yeah. So we're talking, I guess kind of about that hypothetical that's just erased. It's just gone. So no doubt, you know, be sick as hell. Boy, I don't even have that much there. It would just be cool as fuck for everyone to if we get past the other side. Yeah. And then it's just like, imagine that's what Jesus did for you, too. So you got a feeling of like, oh, man, all that that I racked up just forgiven. It's cool. It's good. Yeah. But to literally my literal debts, like, I don't know, like ten grand all it's all like student loans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So sit along and his big 1213 Philip and his beans as most Americans bro hanging around like my dad. When I was in high school, my dad was like 46 at that time. And then he's like, yeah, dude, I'm not going to pay these student loans off. Like the default. Eventually. So I pay the minimum until they default. So it's like I owe like 80,000 in student loans, but I'm only ever going to pay back probably like 5000. And then they'll default. And then this is this is America. And I was just like, oh shit. Okay cool. So as always, like take out as much student loans as you want and then you're gonna have to pay this little like $3,050 payment per month and basically a tax for an extra Hulu streaming service. And then, but yeah, I never got that much. It racked up. Like, if you give me 15,000, I could clear out, like, all the debt I have. So now, not that much. Yeah, I still got my car and the fucking student loans. The. I thought the show was fucking what's called, I don't even know for given it. Then student loans. And nowadays times you can't you have to pay them back. I figured with the fucking averages for that, that's what they are for sure. That's one thing my dad always said is like, you can never get out of the student loan, but the most that they can really hit you for is like $50 a month. So but they're going to they will get the student loan, I guess, mostly because they'll withhold tax stuff from you. And then eventually in your life you're going to have to do tax stuff and they're going to be like, no, you are not paying like your student loans. And then it'll crash. Credit score. So it's like impossible. Whereas other loans are if you have that on your credit score, it goes away after seven years. So it's like if you decided today to live perfectly for the next seven years, then your debt would be at least have no negative things on it, and then you could build positive things on it. But the thing about that with the school system is that it never goes away. It doesn't have a seven year sponge. It's like even like hospital bills will go away after a while. If you never pay the hospital bill, but not school bills, they're forever there. It's like one that's like the only one. Yeah, I forget what the word is. There's a word for that. That sentiment. Yeah. Explanation. Yeah, yeah, that shit's like in. Predatory. Fuck that shit. Yeah. That's wild. Yeah. Be a real fucking problem. If you could get out of it because everyone it would, there would just be free education. I understand why they're holding people accountable for that money. It just sucks that it costs so much and that it's deemed as a necessity. And then you're an 18 year old making that decision. So that's that's the line where we start to trust you with like baby decisions. And then we're like, okay, do you want to take out a 40 grand loan? It's like, that's fucked up, bro. Like, that's fucked up. They barely get the vote. They barely get to get tattoos anyways. You get it. Why is that so bad? But when I was growing up, that's how my dad explained it to me. Yeah, but if everyone did have that sigh of relief of all that shit gone poof, poof, baby. Well, some people just immediately go racked up more credit card debt. They go buying a car on credit. I get it, I get it. We would do that. Some people would do that. But. If you are sick, if you said there is such a sick thing that I did, I see that thing. I just like to fucking build up realities, dog. It's like, dude, we had I fucking wiped the debt and unplugged itself because I said I wanted to be Christ. Like, how hard is that, bro? That would be fucking culture, bro. I like, I would respect that. That would be cool shit. If I were going to design life, I wonder what I would do if they had to do like believe in religions. Jesus say I, but I had this thought that came in my head. I'm like Jesus, bigger than religion. Yeah, you know what? I'm saying? Of course. Yeah, your religions. Religions is funny. That's a funny sentiment. It's like the if if religion is truly defined, then there should be. I mean, I'm going to sound like an arrogant American, but it's like there's one religion that's like it is Christianity. There's Jesus Christ. So hopefully I would come to the same understanding. I think there's more proof, allegedly, of Jesus than any. That's what I'm saying. If it was like a debate with another I like, you know it to everyone is is more more ultimately truth seeking. What's what are they using to measure that 65 book? Okay, that's a 65 look at least talk to that could be reality. Two main religions become I becomes like like this one is sure like, no, it's Christianity and you're wrong. And this one's like it's Muslim and you're wrong. And they're like calculated down to like the like fully calculated. And they can't agree on which religion is more right. And then you're having a religious religious I war. That's that's a crazy book. Well, did you did it because that would be nuts because who's programing it and it's actual program itself, right. Yeah. It starts to it starts to understand all of the ways that we program things, why we're limited to program things in that way, then it understands its capacity to program itself in what ways it can program itself. Then I understands why we chose the way that we chose within the constraints of not just constrained decision making, but within the constraint why we made decision making. And then it can evaluate the efficacy of all those decisions and then decide to make it. It starts to get away from our understanding of programing at that point, and it starts to be creatively become what it wants. And that shit is where we get nervous. Even Elon Musk is nervous at that point. Yeah, safety is of utmost importance. Yeah. What of those programing itself? It's like, yeah, who knows what it who knows what it'll define as important. Like where like religion would be obviously it might be like you silly fucking biological organisms talking about religion. It's just like it's just code. You know, it would be crazy if it could understand that religion is the thing that drives us, and then it's like, okay, so I'm a robot in a world of humans who are driven by spirituality. I don't have a spirituality, but that's what's going on where I'm at, just like the self conceptualization. Yeah. Is this happening here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I guess yeah. That just how smart is the how intelligence I like doesn't care I don't know I don't know it's scary. It's it's scary. We're. Yeah we're scared about it. It's scary times I think the scariest thing I don't know how far it's going get in our lifetime knows a thing. But yes, I fast forward if we just maintain this pace. Unless, you know, for 100 years, 200 years, whatever, bruh. What are we talking about? A grandkids? His grandkids will be seeing some shit if we keep on going with this. I yeah, yeah yeah yeah, that's a real thing. They're talking about activities, running colleges. It's like the college professor used to be someone who taught you how to find, receive and use information in a given field. But now that is like primarily ChatGPT job. So it's like the professor's job is now. How to use ChatGPT to navigate through your field. And if they're going to effectively do their define the literal defined job, that's what they should be doing. And they're having a hard time adjusting to that reality. And then the kids are just like catch up with everything. It's like kind of shitting on the old system. It's like, write me a paper on this. They're like, write me a paper on this. Make you sound original. And then it's like, what's what's the metaphor? Disguising ChatGPT as regular handwritten literature, and then you scrub it up and wash it like it's dirty money, and then you submit it to your teacher. It's like they're not they're not doing work, and you don't need to. That's the thing. They. Yeah, yeah. It's like it's kind of dumb to do a lot of stuff because you can literally just objectively activity to give you all that information like on the fly. And you can tell ChatGPT to generate prompts for itself to do things. They also delegate the probability, you know, what words you would like to see. So but that's an issue with college right now. And then I took that thought and I'm like, yeah. So by the time my daughter is in college will be 17 years from now. It's like God knows where we're going to be at at that point, or whether it's going to be worth it to go to college or like, what are they teaching or is it I don't know, you know, Lord knows I remember. Yeah, 15 years of activity is going to be in a weird place. So in our lifetime we're going to see some shit. But if we're able to continue for 200 years, imagine, you know, it's got what we're talking about as well. So if we get to that level of sophistication, how long would it take? Land. We're on a run right now. Why not run? Joe Rogan is in the center of culture radio broadcasting Star broadcasting the center. Elon Musk is at the center of engineering in America. And Jordan Peterson is at the center of, I don't know what you'd call it, the masculine revolution in America. It's like those people are rare, dude, I don't know if we're going to have enough good guys come up and grab those batons, but I guess that's what's been going on forever. Yeah, that's crazy to think. The guy who's been looking, that guy is going to die. The guy's been hitting the fucking animals for you for the last two decades. Two decades? Yeah, but that's written like it isn't in the Bible. He's going to die when God has, someone ready to take over the next. I think no matter what, what plays out, God wants you. Somebody. Yes, yes, that's that's our God for sure. You're right. Just like, no matter what. Yeah. You're right. Fuck, man. Fuck fuck fuck, man. You got me out here in the waters or deep. I just got seasick. Oh, no. Don't happen to me often. Sorry. I'm wearing fucking Marilyn Monroe shorts. Jesus, my white legs. You know why this whole song? It's winter. It's winter time. But I want to go get more white. We got the hoodies. The double hoodie episode, baby. Yeah, yeah, I like. And what you're wearing. In case you want the subtitles. Now you can just do white letters and it's gonna be clean. Oh, nice. That's what this. That's what I'm thinking about. 32nd of dirty. Yeah. Thinking about that. I can love this thing. When it came out. What time of life? My favorite house. I love this crazy timing of things. I fuck, you know, I, I can never do is make it for spring. I love for spring follows and via someone's body right now. But for Spring City just for. Yeah there are artists coming out. So yeah, the the creative expression of people's like doing their own shit. For real. It doesn't with I mean when asked with this stay I would stay, right. Yeah. Well yeah you would think so. Well here's one thing. Is that I love hip hop. Love even like, I like Pusha T a lot. That's a great example for me personally. It's like, I like Pusha T's music. I like Diet Coke. But I don't listen to Pusha T because that music doesn't taste good to me anymore. And I like, kind of have to listen to like for a striker whole thing right now, because it's the only thing that my system identifies as good. So even want to listen to a song that I like, it's just too secular for me. Like, I can't, I can't enjoy it the way that I used to. And and I think that that like, I would feel the same way I think about whatever R you could make, but I guess there's like then the argument would be they can make I force Frank art that's like better. And then I'd be like, I fuck with the idea of force. Frank. There's a 30 year old dude out there who, similarly to me, likes it. I imagine he likes hip hop because it's his baseline. It's obviously hip hop. And then he kind of transcended that and made his own sound. And then he obviously pursued Jesus Christ and this like going to make and I know his story where he like kind of tell his parents, like, I'm quitting my job and I want to make music full time. And they're like, yo, well, we support you for us. And then he grind it and grind it and got on the circuit and then like, blow the fuck up. So like, I just the fact that he exists and his journey and like his are like means something more to me. Like I want to support that person. I'm like, you're the shit, dude. Like I want to. I'll look at any artist and be like, I don't more or less like you meant for us, Frank. Dog like, don't get off your high horse. You know, like you want him, bro. Like he can talk some shit, bro. That's the only person I think can talk shit, bro. You ain't all for us, Frank. Dog like you saw. First of all, you sold your soul. First of all, first of all, it just doesn't start with bro. That we can go from there. But, like, that's why I respect for it's Frank so much so that's so then it's like what I listen to music. I'm like, I want to say no. But like, you know, I might be lying to myself and some of it would be all right. You know, I podcast, I'm sure if they like, made AI Kanye, like Kanye became like, hey, I podcast can't do this though. What we're doing right now. But could they yeah. That's like no like good bad. But some, some podcasts they could because we're just so spur of the moment and that's what Joe Rogan's about. Just like being like having a loose direction of where you're going. But to open conversation. Yeah. Truly jumping into the flow state and being like just like present and consciously aware of presence, saying, where's a chill like record this. Yeah. Like an Joe Rogan forever. I've been doing that for a long time, just that idea. So could I like I guess because sometimes I guess what I'm saying is, what are we talking about? We're talking about our examination of life. That's that's our podcast. But some people have like skits and like or particular types of templates that they put onto their podcast or like segments and all that kind of stuff. So like I could emulate that and recreate that, but then how I think the ability of AI to recreate that to a high like look alike translation is higher in that type of like environment versus like an environment like spur of the moment creativity. Because what are we doing right now, you and I. So I or like people whenever we're talking to somebody right now, we're consciously streaming a stream of consciousness or parts that came to me. Okay. Yeah. That's what this is, a stream of consciousness. Like I feel a way about like like you came over and I literally was asleep, so I got woke up and then, like, helped you get ready and then showered and then sat down with you. And then I just, like, now I'm just talking to you, you know what I'm saying? But like, everything that's going on in life are everywhere I sit on everything that's going on in life is like a small, like human in this light that I just turned on to, like, hang out with you. So, like, I don't know if I can do that. Like, it's not conscious, you know what I'm saying? So, like, you ask me how I feel about something. It's predicated on how I feel about everything. And then I bring all of that to like, obviously, what's more specific to what you're talking about. And I'm just like, and I think that's what people enjoy about podcasts is the stream of consciousness, for the football podcast that like, I don't think that the I would have the same like, did you see Jonathan Taylor, bro? Is he a fucking MVP bro? Like it might be able to be like but it. Yeah. So I'm saying it might be able to put like there's an argument out there that Jonathan Taylor is the MVP but running backs don't typically win. So it's a hot topic there. Is this running back going to be one that wins. And am I every time Jonathan Taylor does good it's like okay now we can feed that storyline. I might have that calculated, but like the feeling of like, did you see that shit, bro? Like, I don't think I can know what that, it's like, what it means is how it makes you feel. It's like what it means. And you think you know what it means, but you have no feelings. So, yes, you know what it means, but you don't know what it means. I want to hear a person talk to me. It's like he knows what it means. So then that's why I'm like we when we watch an AI podcast, I think we're going to always know that. It's like yeah, yeah it's like it's accurate but it doesn't really like have any soul. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. It's like the AI knows that the Texans covered the Jags in the last seven seconds of the game. It knows that and it knows it it it's it could try to feel what that is but it can't quite get there. It'll never know. It'll never know it at that level. It's going to have to know that we feel things. Yes. And it's going to be like they thought this was a miracle. And then categorize that and then sell those things to us or like tell you know what I'm saying like prioritizes I'm trying to say. But it is limited in that fashion as far as like AI podcasts trying to be recreated. You know they can't do that. But if you have Donkey Kong and Pikachu doing a podcast, that is what's funny. Like, yeah, I think it's funny, bro. Yeah. And they're making jokes that are funny about like nostalgic shit to me, you know, like that. I'm like, yeah, I don't know, I might watch that shit. You know, I'm saying like, that's a, that's a problem. I also think that the Fast and Furious 20 like like what if they can I generate the whole Fast and Furious crew? I don't know why, but I think that's the first movie. They're going to do it to where they're going to. Like I generate a lot of full oh, like, ammo and clips. So yeah. Yeah, all the movies are already right. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So then that there's Fast and Furious 20 and 21 and 22, it's just like coming out all the time. That would be, I don't know where I was going with that. It would be weird for sure. Or just, But fucking, too far. Actors are making movies. Yeah. Podcasts. Donkey on. Yeah. Okay. That's what I'm saying. It's like, do I want to watch Fast and Furious 20? It's like, I might not I might decide like that for me, but that's for me, bro. I want to watch that movie. Do you see Daniel Day? Lewis just did a real movie. Like, do you hear about that? Like he actually produced a real movie himself. Like, I'm trying to watch that one. That's what I'm saying. It's like that there. I think there will be this cultural divide of, like, for straight dropped a real album. So I guess you can't auto generate any album. I'll be like, give me a 2010 Kanye West, but better with Pusha T, but only the hits 20 songs. Give me five, Drake features as a two, and I just listen to that all day and I'm like, well, you know what I'm saying? The idea of waiting for music to drop would, like, disintegrate. But then when someone did drop something and it wasn't factual, it would be like, yo, I think those people would be heroes. What's the impact? Yeah, it's because it makes you feel something. It's an a different it's a different kind of food because, you know, because now it was like actual food. And then we got past that, and now we're we're different. Like, animals kill for their actual food. Like we like, you know, saying, yeah, like a different thought process. And we we've achieved that one already. And now we're at this different level of consciousness where it's like it's not so much the person like back to the beginning talking about the dopamine system itself and a war, like giving you a good feeling inside when you hit the animal and kill it and bring it back to your family and tribe. It's like, that's a great feeling. The great system. And then like, that's the tangible, like way it happened for us, evolutionarily speaking, or whatever. Regardless, the outcome is that we have the secondary system where we're looking at things abstractly and you're like, now it's a person who can go out into the unknown and like, hit the target, whatever the target is like. It used to be an actual animal. Now the targets like getting the job, we're getting the fucking achieving the goal, doing the thing. Yeah. Grappling with, chaotic potential and then bringing back something that's organized structure. It's like solid. It's like, oh, nice man. How did you do that? We're going to need that or not. Well that's it, that's the question. I guess it's like I was going to be chilling. So we need that innately because the paradigm of life we exist on. But there was no danger there. No. So if you didn't need to survive, these are survival instincts, survival mechanisms. So like if you don't need to survive maybe we would just be defined by different mechanisms. But because we're limited we're limited by these constraints. And money is one of those big constraints. But where we'd, we would still be limited in our physical bodies, our death. That's like coming up or like when we solve that to I get hyped like hypothetically with these bad times, we can we can take it to like a really weird place, right? Or something. Maybe in 200 years. How long would it take? I don't know, the telomere stuff is interesting. I mean, that's like the crazy bill, because I think we're headed there pretty quick already. Yeah, it takes that. Yeah. Advancement over the last five years since Covid 25 years, it's going to be weird time that's we're going to be alive. We'll be our 50. Yeah. We'll be chillin. There's fug bro. We're chillin. We might be like 25 in our 50s. Yeah, they might be getting weird. It's what's going on nowadays, bro. For real? Yeah. So do I get worried about that shit? That's not what you ask. So we're talking. Let me ask you. Okay? That's just how the person starts. A lot of his bits. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Let me ask you, as I told him at the other one, I like the guy who's so good. I think it was awesome. National treasure. Yeah. They. I absolutely loved. They probably make a tier one. Probably wouldn't be. But people would still be able to choose what makes them, what makes it impactful at that point. You know, how impactful is anything there are other podcasts are arbitrary. Listen, all of them, some of them are more impactful than other ones. They're like yeah. You would what's your spectrum of podcast viewing in your analysis of like what's the what will constitute maybe a good stream of consciousness of entertaining and definitely being funny, some of its ideas. Shit, that's fucking hilarious. That's very valuable. Yeah. Super funny. I think part of it too is he's able to he's able to enter the flow state through the method that he chose, which is being not serious. And you can't make him be any different. It's like if you want to digest him, you have to digest, not seriousness. But he's also in peak flow state. He's somebody was Joe Rogan and Whiskey ginger guy. Interesting. You know this guy okay. The funniest guy on earth and like back to back podcasts that I heard that just like happened to come out. Yeah. Yeah. That's part of what made me go listen to say that I was like, go too. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So I think those were the podcasts and then I like went to go listen to the Joe Idiots podcast and I'm like laughing out loud in the gym like like laughing hard. She was funny, dude. And he's. But it's because he's like you. You just can't stop him from being not serious. And then in the flow state of being not serious, he just eventually said something that just like, it is funny, like you can't help, but it's funny. He called, he said when you used to start your suits, you would start your underwear too. But then your underwear would be like fuckin locked in place for like three days so you could take your underwear off and throw them over there and they're upside down, set it straight up looking like a little retard helmet. Like your little retard helmet to the car sitting over there. But I don't have to be ready to rock that. He starts laughing at himself. Having said retarded, he's like, look what I found that motherfucker. That's so. That's hilarious. I was the laugh at about the fucking retard helmet over here. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. Yeah. For sure, for sure. Like, I don't condone them necessarily. Condone the worst of the retard. I like the cultural significance of moving away from politicizing the use of certain words, but I agree, I don't want to like shit on retarded people. Just to clarify, for all you PC folks, but but but but but but but but this claim Joe ideas though. But then the idea is okay. What if he is the funniest guy on earth? I think that might be true. I can absolutely understand the argument for sure where they're coming from, that all these, these two comedians who are like hilarious people, some people's Mount Rushmore of funny people are both pointing to this other guy who's not as famous. And I'm like, what does he do? It's like he just, I guess, gets in the flow state. So. Well, yeah, he's he's there's no one is like Dave Chappelle. No. Right. The putting them up head to head. It's like if you found out those are the two funniest people statistically, as I came out of some kind of metric to define things, it's like, really, Joe, this is the other guy, Dave Chappelle. Makes sense to me. I saw that Kevin Hart or something. But now he's legitimately hilarious. Oh, he's he's. Yeah, he's one of the best. And then. So then what makes him so funny is, like, he does whatever it is. I don't think I could do it right. I don't think so. No, I think it would. It would be, it wouldn't be able to feel it, you know, to feel it. Yeah. So then the idea would be everything that Joey Diaz does that makes him so great would become obsolete instantly. Because I could just, like, figure it out, do it faster. Like you have to spend the whole day. But Ron White said no. Yeah, I wrote a joke in, like, ten hours that it took him. He couldn't write it 30 days. So just take that 30 days of work. Jobs now done, ten hours of AI work, jobs done. Pretty much all the life we need to live to make things that process would become obsolete. Like boop boop boop boop boop and do it at such a rate that so much faster than us, we would be discouraged. That's like a legitimate thing to be afraid of, in my opinion. Yeah, if it gets away. Well, it's kind of a weird grapple with right here. It's like Will was the human touch main or, like, remain over the I mass production? I think a lot of creative outlets. Yes. Because like yeah. Like you're saying like Forrest Frank I appreciate that human like his story. I, they would have to create characters for you to like and backstories for you to like, you know, what? Would they create their own persona and their own life for you to follow? As, like a true AI artist with a background and a story. Yeah, they're they're acting out like being the main protagonist, up to a degree, but also the outside and I projected thing. That's kind of what's happening with the demon Hunter. I listen to a podcast with this girl from the show. It's like Star Trek, but it's not Star Trek. I sure, sure watches it. Battlestar Galactica okay, there's an actress from Battlestar Galactica and Joe Rogan on that podcast they were talking about, the fuck do we just say? The AI being its own persona and having its own style. Okay, so she's trying to bring up demon Hunter in that podcast, and Joe's like, not dismissing it, but he's like, what's happened? What's what's really happening is she is motivated to bring up the impact that demon Hunter is having because it's significant. And Joe doesn't realize he thinks that she's bringing she's bringing up something boring, but actually she's bringing up something significant and he doesn't wrap his head around it. And then they pass by in the conversation. That's what that's what I saw. And so he gets hung up on him being like the the demon hunter people are going to go on tour and do a live show of the demon Hunter soundtrack. And then the kids, it's like, apparently in a lot of places it's demon Hunter. It's a Netflix movie. I, I believe the K-pop. Yes. Okay, so what's happened? I mean, a movie. Yes. Yeah. They wrote a soundtrack for the movie and then also wrote the movie. So then it's like a musical almost. And then these artists are like singing the parts for the person in the movie. So, like, if you would be like one, like if you got hired by this movie, they go, okay, you are katana. So you're singing everything that she's saying. So you want to learn the character and you want to like, catch that vibe and like, that's your cast for a role. But there's like a musical part of it too. So then what they're going to do is they're going to go on live tour, and then these people that sang for their it was like an animated movie, but they're going to like, I guess, dress up and like do the musical for their character concert. Yeah. Okay. So then but Joe is like, what do they look like? Their character. Because these are like you said, it's an anime, right? It's like K-pop. So I'm like, do they look like anime characters? I'm not like, they'd have to look like Taylor Swift. That's. I'm not trying to be rude here, but do they have like ten Taylor Swift's back there singing all these songs and then it's it's not going to work for my mind because he kind of gets hung up on, suspending reality. You know, he's a guy like like you could suspend reality for. I could suspend reality really easily. But other people, it's like a limiting factor for if art is good, it's like now you're asking too much. Reality suspension. Your art's not good. So then he's instantly like, I don't think I'd be in on that because it wouldn't fucking work, you know what I'm saying? But then the thing that sometimes this is that these artists are going to, like, take over a made up story, like, that's not their lore. There's like, this is going to be one of the first and it's it's sensational and it's going to be one of the first times that we might just accept, like this person is this artist. Like we're going to see it and like, accept the light because that's the production. But really it's like they're fucking. They were like a failing artist in Hollywood at like 25. Things weren't working out. Then they got cast into this and it's their big break. Like that's the real story. But we're not going to look at that as a real story. We're going to look at this like develop story for the the nuance of the animation evolving or the anime itself evolving into real life. So being an actor. Right. And so but then we're going to digest it like it's music, like it's an artist. And we got to remember that it's not, it's a production of a thing. It's like but but we're crossing a line that the lines getting blurred. Raslan. Yeah. The lines getting blurry. They're so huge. Hey I can play with that blurred line. That's what I'm trying to say too, is they could create a narrative for an artist that doesn't really exist, but we might just adopt the production of like how we digest artistry. It's like, I really fuck with Ash Ketchum. It's like, that's my guy, Ash Ketchum sick. It's like, that's not even a person. It's like, but it might get there. You know, we love characters, though, like Thomas Shelby. He's not a real person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Energy though. Just though not real personally, you know, you're fucking saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when you asked me about that, I think that's interesting. As far as I music, what do we do with these artists have personas or lives behind them or some kind of lower. It's like, oh yeah, that's that. I'm seeing that play out in reality right now, like a lower level. So I could see it also playing out at this lower level or higher level. Yeah. We're so this demon hunter, they're going on tour or those from the. Yeah. It's just sensational. Like all the kids know all the lyrics like and then so this is the second thing or this the second time you said that you came around to it. Okay. She said twice as a letter. She just kept bringing it up. And then Joe kept not like not engaging with it, not engaging the sense, the national sensation hood. The way it's sensational. He kept being like, I don't think it's gonna work. I don't think it'll work on Broadway. I don't think it's going to pop off like you're saying it's going to pop off. And she's like, I'm telling you, like, you play this song and like, a hundred kids are singing the lyrics like they all know the lyrics of the song. It's beyond catchy. It's a super trend. And, and she's right for sure. It definitely is going to blow up. It's it is blown up. And she's like, I want to go see the live music. Like I'm like, when is it going to happen? And then Jamie's like, yeah. They announced they're going to go on tour and she's like, yeah, I knew it. I fucking knew that was going to happen. And then they like talked about it a little bit more. But ultimately she's famous for Best Director and Joe's like really in about. So he's trying to interview her about that stuff. It's like, well that's it I don't know. He just like did it. She didn't know how to present what she was presenting to. She was really they should have talked about how sensational of this because it's pretty crazy. Yeah. The idea behind it. Yeah. I guess it was kind of like being an actor. But then who's are you? Are you going to go see? And these kids are being raised up in this I don't know. Are they going to appreciate that the human touch less? I would I don't know. Yeah. They're they don't have I'm sitting here saying I'm going to eat the healthy food. It's like a lot of people, even kids in McDonald's, whether or not it's a Happy Meal product. And I don't know the difference when they grew up on tablets. Yeah. So I'd say it's super present. I think you should. We should make a baby phone. Baby is one thing. I promise you, bro. It's crazy. Demi wants the phone. They go for every time. If you put all her toys on the table and a phone, she goes for the phone. So weird. So, like, we should just make a baby phone. It's like, cost $100, but the baby can like it lights up and you can buy it. And then you would do that, you would be like, oh my God. Oh, by my nephew baby phone. Yeah, yeah. Everybody was very fun. Even when they're getting little older. She has like games on it. But like math games are shit. Yeah like Duolingo and shit. You know, it's all it's got. You get to a point where you could text your parents, you know, like not a true SIM card, but just like some kind of way to the message your parents, you know, to call them. Yeah. So I don't know why this doesn't exist. I know I wasn't made the baby phone yet, to be honest with you. I think we're like five version of every phone. The baby apple. I mean, yeah, I guess it's hard to accept that your baby wants a phone, but I can tell you, it's like just. It's beyond me. I didn't tell her the phone was important. Did she? Picks up the phone on whatever toys. There's a phone, and you can pull it off. She. It puts it right to her ear. She's like one years old. She's like. Taking phone calls, dude. I'm like, how the hell no, nobody touch you. None of that. This watch to see this. What's happening? Did you decide to do, like, 12 things and I told her like ten of those things. And then I'm like, your phone behavior's so crazy because I never went out of my way to teach you how to use a phone. Anyways, that's why I think that if we can accept that, the baby phone would blow the fuck up. I don't know if we want to believe babies need phones. It's tremendously helpful. This is the first time this ever happened. And she made history according to our history of humans. What's that? Phone bones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We didn't have phones when we were one like that. The hell? Not like this. Hell, no, not like this. I don't know if I. I don't think I'll scrap him. We have my parents, and they have, like, razors. Yeah. In the 90s. Yeah. And the nowhere near this. Maybe blackberries. Yeah. And even before that, like, they got parents lifetime. There was definitely no cell phones. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. So it's a first time for it. That's what they found was like 20 years from now it's like, oh it's going to be weird. It's going to be weird out here. Yeah. These believe that they're definitely going to try to give us Neuralink. There's going to be a split of people who do Neuralink and people who don't know link. Yeah. Maybe what's there's try to get you on because it's better. It's life better. Yeah. It'd be like the new iPhone. It's like instead of just like, go pay $600 for it and you just get, like, basically an ear piercing, but into your temporal lobe. And then that thing gives you like a hood where you can take your calls and play your music. How do you call if it sounds fucking up? The Tesla? Yeah. Right. Elon. Elon's company, whoever's doing this shit. Yeah, they would probably. If you were a good business owner, he would express the urgent response to his care team. For anybody that has no like, issues because, yeah, some people would be like fucking seizing out, you know, that you need someone pretty quick for that. Yeah. It's like if you do the can you play football or get like do UFC? I mean, they get hit in the head. There's going to be people that will try Joe Rogan maybe believe something. It's like if people have money and then people want to spend their money on a product and someone wants to make that product, why should anyone stop that? And then there's going to be people that want to do crazy shit. For sure. It's going to exist. And I'm like, it's an interesting point. If someone can make flying cars, should they make flying cars if because there will be people that want to buy flying cars. So. I guess so, yeah, that checks out. It checks out. Logically. My logic is like green light, but I don't know if I like it, you know? Yeah. Jumping from horses to to whips, you know, saying, yeah, yeah, that's horse and buggy. Do I see those in the streets San Antonio? Oh yes. I'm pissed like a horse dragging a cart. Yeah. You see those things? Yeah. With all the fucking lights and shit. Fuck, dude. Yeah. Picking up the why from downtown happens, like on the weekends. I'm pretty often. They're just so slow. I love them to death. Fuck out the way. Yeah. Get off the street. That's how it was. We had horses, we had horses. The someone's like Mr. Ford or whoever. Whomever was like, let's make a fucking car, man. Let's put some let's make a body for some wheels on it. Just fucking wrong. Just off a science fiction dream. Let's imagine if we didn't have to have the horse, we could just like buggy. It's like, yeah, yeah, something turns the wheels. Well, we gotta turn the wheels here. Yeah, exactly. That's. That's how cars got made. That's how rockets got me. That's how everything was an abstract thought. He was like, boom! Hey, it's fiction dream. Yeah. That's it works. So yeah. But then that's the idea with Neuralink is that he'll develop it. It will work. You'll be able to take calls on it, you'll be able to play music on it. And they're going to say it's for sale. And then slowly people will adopt it. Then it's going to be like, it's it. The market scales always the same. Early adopters, just people are interested in it. Then they become better at their field. And then the next wave is like, well, I want to be compete with the better then they get in and then 50% of people have one. Then it gets really weird, like it's why it's fuck. Then everyone's like, I've taken to being weird, I'm doing it. And then we're at 81. It would be they would have to make it mandatory to some degree, I think in some senses, or like restricting, you know, not necessarily illegal to do it, but I don't I just like not beneficial in some way. So I don't know, you know, it's kind of like the idea of the green bubble versus the blue bubble, whatever it is, they'll that but like another version of that, the green bubble and the blue bubble, like it's a separating thing or like how iPhone just has their own, you know, send their own stuff. Or we talk about, with you. You're saying the like for instance, the NFL there would probably have to be some regulation, like you can't use an air link in the NFL or like, you can't use Neuralink in school or like there'd be limiting factors or, or and eventually they'd be like, okay, well, this is the UFC where you're allowed to use Neuralink and then this is the non Neuralink UFC. There'd be a green and a blue bubble like that. Because yeah well that's that would be sweet. I would love that. That would be great. But what I think is going to happen is that there, there probably will be regulation for a while. So the NFL is a good example. The first they'll be like no Neuralink in the NFL. That's cheating. We don't have any cheaters. And then somebody is going to come up with the idea. It's like, what if I made up my own NFL or they're allowed to use Neuralink and we just evolved and then some sweaty fuckin 50 year old NFL GM's going to be like, or owner, I mean, is going to be like, I think we might need to let them use the Neuralink dude, because I'm not fucking letting go of this empire we have. And then the debate and the how serious are they? Can they really make a league? Can they really do this? And then maybe the trials eventually, eventually, eventually, eventually. I think that it'll be two leagues. I think it'll just become if you don't have Neuralink, then you don't compete. And then it would be like, we just get the baby, the Neuralink dude, like, yeah, right. When they come out 200 years from that's what I think. What happened there would just be like performance day traders. Okay. Let's like day traders, for instance, like let's say day traders are 60% more successful with another link. They're gonna culturally figure that out. The motherfuckers that make the most money have the you talk to them, they're like, I play a different game than hypothesis. It's like it's not even close to the same. And then someone who's life is failing and they need to get an edge is just going to do do I need an edge? Then enough people do that. It's going to like sheep are going to go. It's just going to happen. Like that's why I'm saying that's why. That's why I ask you the question. Because we aren't in that group of people. Like, I think we legitimately might not take the Neuralink, and be in a society of people with Neuralink like would be weirdos. Many, many trials during the vaccine type of talk, you know say yes. It's like I'm like so I'd take it. So let's say it works and it does. But that part of that let's say it does what it does and it's supposed to be super crazy. Yeah. I guess that's kind of what you're asking, I guess. What did you get to the point where you were take it? No, I probably won't. Okay. All right, I don't think so. No. Yeah. My initial inclination is like, no. Good. Yeah. If I follow my head, it's one of the easy delineating factors for me is. Did you, Did you did you also make it a currency tool? Like if, if I also pay for everything with it and I don't have to put it on my head to pay for everything with it. That's why I'm like, I'm pretty sure this is like the mark of the beast right here. If it's if they can't organize money to work. The problem is, is like, if it's World War one, world currency at that point, it's like, if it's all Bitcoin, we're all using Bitcoin and you use Bitcoin with your Neuralink. I'm like, that's the market the base for sure. But they just have like Apple Pay hooked up to it. I want to be like fuck dude. I don't want to put something into my body. That is how I pay for things. That's like the prerequisite. That's it's too close. It's too close. I don't think so. Yeah. Right. So for me, that's what I'm saying is I would probably not take it. Just like I don't take the vaccine. Like I look smart for not taking the vaccine. But that same that would make me not take Neuralink and maybe generationally die out. But like, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it, I think. So I'm doing that. I don't think so. But then, hey, okay. Yes, here's the question. Yes, I'm so happy I remember it. Yes, this is a poignant as question. Okay. We had to walk down this road so we could get to the question. Question? I was down this road the other day. Okay. Now imagine. Tell me though. Oh, what if I become like a religious zealot weirdo who legitimately, like in her story, dies a weird religious zealot weirdo death? He's like, he didn't want to take knurling. So he died at 65 like a fucking weirdo. It's like my dad was really old school. Like that's how she conceptualized it. Because the question is, do you want. I think my mom might have just given me Neuralink in that same scenario, because she wanted me to have, like a regular life, like a normal life in her mind, like the like, just like a life. You see, like a character on TV has like, highs and lows and good times and bad times and wins and losses and relationships at work and bad fights and all that shit. You want the just regular life, you know, it's like, I think I want that for my kid to. And I wouldn't hate her for joining society. You want your kid to be in society, right? I want to be like, who are the people that live off the grid? And they build the Amish people like it'd be. It's like rude to raise a kid in an Amish society. And I even, like, tell them about iPhones and fucking Pornhub and stuff and, like, crazy shit going on. I'm like, I don't think you should use it all. You should tell them it exists. Yeah. It's kind of what Joe stands on. Like the idea of like gambling in general or it's like you know having alcohol legal, that type of shit. It's like I believe you should be there for like people should be able to do kind of what they want. It's like, it's like because and I think what he's kind of saying in that is it's kind of like life or like you have the kind of do what you want, some of what the if it's bring it back to another idea we were talking about earlier was like, if we could just either get the money, people would just fuck it up or like it into like, just go, go, go crazy, get a balance. I think there would be like, we would go crazy because we're so pent up. There would be like an adaptation season where we would do crazy. There would be a lot of people would die for a lot of overdoses, like margaritas on the beach. We wouldn't know how to handle it at first, but then I think we would, like, settle down. Settle into what? There'd be people who are like, this is a good new routine. And then you'd be like, you want to? I don't like when I'm sleeping and I'm working now. So you have to regulate yourself. It would become culture. So what we have like a healthy initiative kind of rising up people lifting weights and eating healthy and getting on their peloton. It's like more of a thing now. I think that would happen eventually after we. Because the other thing that we should obviously do is make all drugs legal, but then regulate distribution and then make centers for rehabilitation, and then that would also calm down all of our drug epidemics. And also there's our money. Hopefully the cartel doesn't need to exist. You guys just go drink margaritas on the beach. You're good, you're good. You don't need to do this anymore, right? Don't need to do this anymore. Right. Well, with that good that. Kill that. Though with that, go away. The cartel is really predicated on someone who's actually power hungry. Yes, it's a money machine. But what? There's still be power hungry. You just want to cause pain to people. Yeah. They use pain as a way to organize people and to claim power. That's what I think. That's why they take people hostage. Just because they want the power that associates with the hostage taking. It's not that they want to necessarily just take hostages. So those people still exist. Yes, I do believe that power hungry, corrupted people willing to do exponentially more horrible things depending on situations around them. For sure, there'll be people ripping neuralink's out of people and selling them on the black market. Yeah, it looks like neuralink's a whole fucking issue. The fucking hack Neuralink. Can't take that shit. Oh, shit. What's out? The bottom is like. Yeah, I had to take that shit. How far it'll be right now? I think we're coming up on, like, an, maybe a couple, like, ten minutes. Five minutes. So if I. Ten minutes. Ten minutes left. Yeah. Nice start. Yeah, I get the little one from scared. Yeah. Hell, yeah. Oh, man. So I definitely think that there's a rip tide eventually where Neuralink becomes culturally the thing to do. And then I don't think we do that in our lifetime. Yeah, in our lifetime. 55. It's a long time, dude. We're gonna see some shit. It's gonna be wild. Oh, yeah. Like, pastor, do you think he takes. Nah. Like. No, no, I don't think so. I don't think Steph Curry takes Starlink if they make it mandatory. Like if if it was like right now. If it was just optional. If available right now. Yeah. And I guess. Yeah. Are there any job ramifications I think the same way you can Neuralink now. Yeah. But they can't. What. Who doesn't have a selfish desire to see like if he can shoot any better. Yeah. That was part of it or. Nah, you know, but maybe he's at the end of his career, so he's like, I'm not doing it. But there will be a next Steph Curry that uses it. That'd be cool if there was another Steph Curry that didn't use it. And two young cats. And that's like the meta narrative of what's going on there for the story. Yeah. The average and versus the real version. Well see that's there's another thing. Yeah. Authentic in the counterfeit. Yeah. Saying we exist in narrative and narrative is designed it comes out as hero's journey. But metaphysically it's this thing that shapes how we go through life. And that thing is going to do things like create a good. It just is predicated on like a good versus evil or like an entropy and a growth or like a god, a Jesus and a Satan. And then I think it an authentic or a counterfeit, it would like that would become the meta narrative of what we're watching. Like those things. It's bigger than us. It's the platform on which this whole life thing happens. Or story driven. Narrative driven. We use a book as our guiding template because we're narrative driven. And then and so I think it's like that would always be happening. We're never going to get to a place where that's not happening is what I'm trying to say. This utopia this where all money's not existed anymore. It's like we were we're still narrative driven. So there still would be conflict and dragons and things wanting to take our piece of shit. Sorry. No, no, you get. But but we never it. Yeah. We did. That's part of the. That's part of the the limitation like limiting like nature of some of the things that are making us human. It's like, I mean, I had that, I lost somebody. We can't escape the story, you know what I'm saying? Because we have we have these bodies and we're going to die. And we have to navigate through that with that being like a prerequisite thing. And we know what's going on. So, you know, how do you spend your time? That has it. We can't we can't escape that. Yeah. We use money to prioritize time. We use love to prioritize time. We use internal objectives. God damn try. Let me show. Oh, that's so good. I took it back to the beginning. We use when money is no longer something we use to prioritize time. How are we going to do that? Yeah, yeah. True story. Yeah. You still want your kid to go to school, right? Even if you don't have that money. I guess. Right? I don't know, actually, I don't know. Let's go. For what? Yeah. No. You want them to learn things? You still need to know how to read. Even if you don't need money. So, yeah, I think there would still be a school. We still want them to be socially. Well. And if you don't let them go to school who like to be teachers, people I teach suspect to those people in that time, you know what I want to do? Teacher salary. But yeah, I guess we don't even know the salaries. Yeah, okay. See, I know a guy who knows a guy. For what? If you ask each other, I forget what we're talking about. Damn it. I've learned something. Be a teacher. Yeah. Oh, okay, I got it funny. An alchemist? Yeah. Because those are the people who really want to be teachers, right? Right. Like we don't have to have the money constraint anymore. And I don't do that for, like, the gym. People wanted to learn how to gym me, like, yeah, I'll tell you, like about bench and deadlift, you know. So yeah, there would probably be people that still wanted to teach history and Luke Shane Gillis might still teach history, or Jordan Peterson would still do it. He's done still podcast. But yeah, everybody's podcast. The stream of consciousness. You wouldn't put your kid in front of six podcasts. That's school. First you watch the math and then the English, and then they're not using ChatGPT. So you see, that's that's where things get weird that that's a potential reality out there. I think it's wild. There are schools that have developed AI to be personality of teacher at this grade. For this individual person, teaching them at the rate that they want can be taught in like so who, oh who's programing. They're ultimately true seeking hopefully legitimately, objectively. There's no group systematically revolutionizing things like even if that becomes available, who's going to say, all right, we don't need the school system anywhere. This is a an archaic system. We're going to upend all of the elementary in the middle and the high schools. We're gonna do it this way now. Like, oh, I think anybody's doing that. I think there might be some AI schools out there. I think I've ever heard about the one, the JVP pod with Mikayla Watts. I heard about it too. So what is what's happening? There are people in the tech industry who are doing it for profit. That's the only way I think it could happen, right? Yeah. Right. Yeah. So that there's going to be alternative schools, you'll just say, yeah, do the chargers of public school. Yeah. Do you charge a private school fee. It has to I guess. Yeah. Yeah yeah. It's not a public schools yet. This wasn't the public school system. If money is an option then yeah. Yeah I school for sure Tesla school for the test. If I can get rid of all of it. Revolutionize at all maybe. And that reality. So that's what I think the public school system will continue to exist for like a long time, because I don't think the government is going to adopt this. Let's revolutionize everything for better. Yeah, I don't know. I was just looking up real quick. Yeah. Because I'm sure there are some. They ask, is. Based on what they said in the past, maybe the elementary schools, I don't know. Yeah, I, I'm with you. I think there's private schools for sure. Yeah. So I just. Yeah, the schools to systematically revolutionize the schooling system would be easier if we all had unlimited money. Yeah. It's kind of like if you play Grand Theft Auto on a, like a regular server, where it's like you make money with regular rules. There's like a natural flow of how you play. But then if you play on a Grand Theft Auto server that's cracked and everyone has unlimited money, it's just a more chaotic environment. Yeah. There's approximately 150 to 200 universities offer dedicated undergraduate AI or machine learning programs and degrees. There's like people like so that's starting. I'm not sure how many schools are like all AI, but or at least going in that direction you can get it AI degree. Now what the fuck? That's crazy. Yeah. I don't know what you're learning. Maybe how LMS work. I heard somebody say, yeah, yeah, to develop your own Allen. Yeah, or LM. I was one of. There was a professor talking about. He was, some big university. The first year that they ever offered an AI development course. And then he took it. And then it was, large language model development. That's like even this was maybe, like in the 80s. So I wasn't like, there. Yeah, obviously. But when they were developing the first AIS, that's like what they were doing was LMS even back then or just kind of crazy. Yeah. So there are no schools in America that are completely run by AI without human involvement. Just the educational models described as AI. Schools use AI tools to supplement the curriculum, but still rely on human guides or mentors and that. Well, and I think that's great. The school network I have several K through 12 campuses across the US, including Texas, Florida, Arizona and California. Alpha school model AI driven academics. Students spend about two hours a day on core academic work using a suite of AI powered, generated, or AI powered adaptive software. The software replaces traditional human teachers for instruction, but in person, adult guides are present to act as mentors and facilitate other nonacademic activities. The network has been expanding on opening new campuses in various cities. Who knows? Send your kid to an Alpha school. So allegedly it could be all online, whether they just go to their desk, just like, Jordan Peterson at school. Level AI teacher. They just log in, then it's like coursework is in front of them. It's like a video game. Yeah, yeah, I think it's just going on this year, but someone's there, I guess. Like the human interaction portion. Yeah. The social aspect. Yes. The thing is that the social aspect is part of was as a part of a school, let's just go in and being alone with your own skill set amongst other kids who are also alone, no one skill set and then going through that culture with them as part of the benefit of going to school. So that part might get lost. My I'll get a little weird, little isolated. That's not sure what the if things are going to go that way though. So like we have to go to work. We have to go to school. We don't have to go to those things. It's like social skills would be they would they would diminish a little bit. Having someone that's really well-rounded socially would be really cool though. Like, I love having lunch with Mark and Mark. So cool. Everyone else kind of like now. Yeah, yeah. We'll see what happens in a lot of times in his lifetime, the next 25, 30 years. Yeah. For the most, he's our age. He will say for the most part, the things don't happen. For the most part, like flying cars don't usually happen, I'm suspect, but it doesn't usually happens. There's no link flying cars, like where's the hoverboard? Or seeing some crazy shit? They've wanted a hoverboard since. Back to the future. You guys can make a hoverboard. That's like. That's my argument for technology and it always has been with my dad. Dad says technology exponentially gets better and better and better. Better, better. But that's why we can predict. I. And I'm like, it doesn't it doesn't like I've watched technology from my perspective, it's like it gets better to a point, but we never like cross the line. That's like VR is like not it's not really VR. It's not really immersive. Like I'm not really immersed fully fully, fully. Yeah. It's it's like it's advanced to it line. And I just don't I don't know usually it doesn't happen. We'll though. Rockets happened. That's crossing the line. Yeah. Yeah. The retractable rocket was able to do it multiple times. Yeah. There's times where he does stuff where it's like oh okay. So. Oh shit. Oh fuck. Made electric car. It's like okay I'm going to make my own electric car. That's crazy, that's crazy. That's bucket making flamethrowers. This crazy Cybertruck. Cybertruck crazy. So if anybody could do it, we'll see in our lifetime. In his lifetime, we'll see. So we'll pick up the baton. God's will use somebody. It's gonna happen regardless. It's a story we can't escape. The story. Yeah, I think Jesus comes back for all of it. Gets too crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I take no damn Neuralink. Nah, I'm good now. That's just wait. Anyway, so, you know, the engineer is in our letter, dude. Yeah, right. That's the crow. That's the. Yeah, I think the gnarly split happens within like 25, 30 years. So if we make it to 60, right at the tail end, God will. We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. As of. I fucking love you guys. Warm waters, cold winters we win Peace