TRICK OR TREAT?? | Step-Brothers, The Ego & Halloween | The MJ38 Show #104

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Welcome in, ladies and gentlemen. 104 MJ 38 show warm water time. We're chilling. Here you are. Now we are just together. We were talking about off air. Let's go. She's talking about. I wanna look it up just because I want to know for my own personal information. But we're talking about stepbrothers and just the hilarious nature of some people, like, Will Ferrell, Adam Sandler. There's a Chris Pratt, Chris Pratt has a crazy, hilarious ad libbed line and Parks and Rec or whatever. Or he's like, looking up or like, Leslie sick and then he like times he's like, hey, I typed in your symptoms into the computer and says you could have internet connectivity problems. Was just like off the cuff line and like, what the writer regards that as one of the lines where he's like, that's like one of the funniest lines in the entire show. I didn't even write it. Yeah, it pisses me off, actually. It's like my job to make the funny lines and to write the scripts. Yeah, but he just like off the cuff, spur of the moment. Bang. This is hilarious. Well, no, I think that, like, because God's the writer. Yeah, but ultimately, he's hoping that we have the perfect ad lib, like he's. I think you write the story in such a way that you're hoping the characters come alive. His character came alive? Yeah. What more do you want, dude? Like, that's that's goal. Get your ego out of the picture, bro. That's its goal. And stop thinking what? Your goal. Start thinking with your heart. With the. Okay, so with your soul. Come on up, everybody. Everybody say okay. Ego is a word that has a ton of definitions. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone thinks of their own thing whenever they say any word. Of course. And we all agree upon them. The most commonly agreed upon ones are what we deem to be true. Yes, but when we say ego, it's like, what do you what do you think about what do you think I'm what do you think I'm referring to? The thing that I think. See, that's what I that's perfect set up because more times than not I go to that. I think their definition is before I'll just go to my definition, because it's going to be easier if I don't have to be like, well, that's what I think it means for other people. Most of the time they think Kobe Bryant, they think Kobe, when he's like, got the ball and he's like, I pass the fucking ball. My fucking ball. I've got the ball. Yeah, that's ego. That's. But like Freud would describe the ego as something different than that. But then also there's other people. Luke, my roommate, our friend would say that Kobe Bryant's ego is what made him great. Okay. So it's you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. It's you're the thing that thinks it's you. The thing that is experiencing the experience. And we are the thing experiencing experience, which is the ego. But we're also the thing that's watching the experience of the experience. That's. I think we're okay. Hold on. Where do you want to do your thing first? Just real quickly. This is hell out here. Sorry. I want to keep it for this podcast. I was like, all right, man. Episode 1 or 3, work on getting the fuck out there. So I want to keep it, like, more base, more reality, more tangible things we could talk about that everyone knows is going on in Greece is going on immediately. We jump into the fucking the deep end of the pool right back where we started. Yeah, but Chris Pratt, hilarious line, all this starting back full circle. I was right before camera. We were talking about Will Ferrell. He's so funny because yeah, I was like, it's a when you quote Step Brothers, it's like it's a hitter. It's one of those movies that everyone's like, that's a funny movie. Yeah. And then within that funny movie, it's like, why? Why so sweaty? He's like, I was watching cops, just like a commonly known bar in the movie or like, line of dialog that makes you feel something. It's like a funny, oh, no, just a funny thing. Cause that's in the very beginning of the movie too, right? Yeah. It's like it's early. It's like, yeah, that's one of the three fucks of all these drums. Yeah. It's like going crazy. It's going crazy on his drum. Okay. No, that's later in the movie then. Definitely. I'm pretty sure I don't think it's relatively early. It's probably the first third. Okay. Because I think of that as one of the jokes. The first you like fall in love. You're like, oh, these characters are hilarious. Yeah, just funny character. And then I was that got me to thinking, what did he write? That he I lived that and I know that Chris Pratt had ad lib that and like, actors do that all the time or. Like this. What a Curb Your Enthusiasm is. Those have the camera rolling and then they'll just have some lines and have some sort of known direction of what the narrative is supposed to be, and then play into that and then just go off the fucking cuff like, the league was like that. The show about fantasy football, no special is fucking amazing. Well, yeah, it's talking about Will Ferrell, step brothers. Did he write that line question broader question did he helped write the movie and I don't know. Yeah. Because we hadn't known if he had written the movie or if he was just an actor in the movie. And sometimes actors are just people who are acting in the movie, but they could have also, like, created the script, like Aziz Ansari just wrote and produced the movie with Keanu Reeves, but then he costars in it. Yeah, but if you just saw it on TV, you wouldn't have necessarily thought as he's an he's just an actor, wrote, directed, produced. No. Yeah. It's different. It's different. Yeah. There's different roles. But then it says yes. Will Ferrell helped write stepbrothers. He co-wrote the screenplay and the co-develop the story with the actor Adam McKay. Okay. So yeah. So that's and also John C Riley. Okay. Yeah, that's that's what I wanted to ask. Was John C Reilly involved? Because then that's like, I think a lot of people have an idea of do we should do a movie like this. And then it's like, well, what's stopping us? We need a script. And then it's like, we could just write this, make the movie, makes the fucking making the show. It's like, think about the show of the The Descendants or whatever. Yeah, it's like, this is a dope idea. Let's fucking let's create this, make this, bring this to life. Or like, this is a funny this is a funny little narrative here. We could play this off really well, like two stepbrothers who are in their 40s. Like having to navigate that, make it a funny movie. Yeah. Like, and they're like, let's do it. Really? Like they're 12, you know what I'm saying? Like 212 year olds move in together, but we're 40 and yeah, yeah, that's funny, that's funny. And our dads kind of a dick, right? Yeah, yeah. That's funny I like that. And the mom's, like, real, like, I love you, baby. Yeah. That's hilarious. And you just set it up, and then you write the jokes, in my opinion. Like you set up these funny pillars, you're like, oh, there's comedy there, you know? And this is funny because of the social, the the success, circumstantial standing points of everyone in the social conversation. Yeah, yeah. Let's make this makes this funny. If he says it like this because he's a more successful brother, but he's younger and he's got the family, but his family hates him. Yeah. And then he's got abs, you know. Yeah. Yeah, he's a douche about it. You want to hit me? You want to hit me in the face right now, don't you? That's funny bro. Like, yeah, I think that's how it happened. I think I set it up first. You set it up, and then you wrote the. Because then I had to set it up. Real poignant in the scene because they've all got like, direction they're trying to go and actual character, you know, the story the wrestling with or like their story that they are wrestling with in their own life and hopefully spoiler alert for stepbrothers, but they kind of come around, have like a good ending, you know, they're like pursuing their path or whatever it was. And it was of like the the culmination of the final swell, the very end. The fucking Catalina wine mixer. Yeah. It's a very poignant, like end to that movie, you know, like there is a big moment. The Catalina fucking right? Yeah, it's a fucking Catalina wine mixer, I think, that's also probably a joke on narrative, because there is supposed to be, like a big event or a climax, like we're going to really climax our classes, our Catalina wine mixer, climaxing in our climax. Yeah. Then he fucking the the music. The show must go on. He steps up to the plate with his public fear of singing, and then you fucking has to do it at the Catalina Wine Mixer. Yeah, he goes crazy. Yeah, well, I mean boats and hoes. Yeah. He steps on the drums. Dude, great movie. Right? I thought he was going to do Ava Murray or whatever that song is called. Yeah it does. Right. But then they need boats and hoes too. Oh, he didn't say that. Or they don't do that song Boats and Hoes. But that's like a just a line that I remember in that specific part of the movie. Yeah. Because yeah, he's belting it out. He's just singing that opera song. And then John C Riley is helping him on the drums. Okay, yeah, I forget how it gets there. He just goes up to the stage and helps them because it's their Will Ferrell has to step in and yeah, it's like, all right. And you're the you're responsible for this party. It's like you've been entrusted to throw this thing and do this great event and hosting and hosting it. Well, it looks like starts here and then ends here. And everything's like smooth relative. Everyone's happy. But like, if we lose the music and it's like, oh fuck. It's like telling you that sucks. And then he has to like, come in and save that with his own Horcrux of like, oh, I'm, I'm this is like one of my own self-described fears. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't like I don't like singing in public. Yeah. We get to sing in, like, the most public setting. That would be the most consequential to you right now. Don't you lose. Yeah, yeah. This is a big dragon. You have to slay it right now or it will eat you. Oh, some of the dragons weren't big enough to eat you, right? Right. They'll just. You hopefully train on a little dragons. Enough to be able to kill the big dragon that can eat you. That's literally life. And that's why they make video games like that. You need experience before you have to do a big boss. Yeah, yeah. The one that can really hurt you. Yeah. And a cyclical nature we've been talking about since a couple episodes ago. Yeah. That guy's coming. He's coming. And you better be ready. You better do your little. You better be ready. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he he did help write that movie, so good call. You know, it's a great. Oh just the moment man. The moment I was and say we'll do it live. We're doing it live. It's like welcome. We're live with you but not live but it is live as far as we're concerned. Exactly. Because it's just like a capturing of the, a multiple asset access point of people who agree that we're going to, like, capture this moment. Here we go. It's like in the producer, you know, sense. Okay, here we go. It's like, record me. I'm about to go into the into the arena real quick. Yeah. Do you tell your producer okay, well, I don't have to ask the question, but I'll tell you my experience. The of the question is I always have some kind of dialog with the producer where I'm like, all right, so I'm about to go say, okay, give me a couple takes. Are you okay? I'll be like, hey, this is this. I'm just fucking around right now, okay? Like, don't don't be judging this, okay? I'm. I'm getting loose in here, all right? Like, I got to, like, let him know what's going on in my mind to give him some kind of context so that he doesn't get real. Like, what the fuck is he doing? So sometimes I'm like, all right, I'm gonna have to be like, ha ha, that's stabbing every like. But like, I'm not to have to really go into a place that I'm not right now. So I kind of let him know, like, hey, man, I'm about to kind of like, with. I'ma swell it up like, like that. I'ma go a little high and I'm gonna try to get out there, okay? And then that way he likes, he knows, like, oh, he's going for it. All right. Cool. I'm gonna record. I'm gonna be locked in. Yeah. And it helps set the stage or, like, for yourself and for him. Because he's also in your movie of, like, hey, what am I doing here? And, like, if he doesn't know what's going on here and then it's like, just unnecessary. And I could fix that so easily just by telling him, hey, like, I'm about to do this thing. Yeah, I could establish, like, the ground we're both standing on other than our like, rather than the miscommunication alternative option where you don't tell him anything. It's like you have your own perception of where you're trying to go. And he's like, what are we doing? What song are we doing? What's the energy behind the song? Right. What should I be expecting here? And it's my build to help you create the right one. The vibe, the vibe, the way totally, totally, you know, just because also the song is in my mind and I need to like on some level, I well, with some producers, they want to have some of the song in their mind. So they're like, what are you doing? I'm listening, I'm listening. But I think it's better if I tell them like, this is everything I hear. And then if you can take that and then run with it, that'd be really cool. Yeah. And they might be able to hear something that you didn't hear that like does belong there. You're like, oh that's fucking it. Yes. That's fucking it. Like let's put some horns in it. You're like, oh yep. There it is right there. Right in the dangerous oh will be there and won't be quite there. And you're like no, hold on. Like adjust it a little bit. And there's like oh there it is. It's funny how ever the studio will be like, that's it. Right. Like we'll all feel it. That's it's hard. That sounds good. Yeah. That's that's, that's the good. That's a worthy sacrifice of all the things we could pick. I would stand on that one is like that was a good choice. Yeah. Yeah. Now there's a danger moment where if you don't communicate enough then what can happen. Okay. Two dangerous moments. One is that if, if, if I have a developed idea of some, some kind and I'm trying to establish it in the booth, but I don't communicate to him what I'm doing, he might think I don't have a very established idea. And because he's in that place, he's like, well, let me help him establish it. So I'm going to do things. I'm going to throw influence in there to help him. But the problem is, that's kind of fucked me up because I'm trying to get it to be over here, and you're pulling me in another place. Sometimes. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to be rude. I'll go that way with you, you know? But, like, ultimately, I think if you have a good idea, you should communicate that good idea. Then work from that place forward, not the middle of your good idea, and start changing it all around, you know? Then the other thing that can happen is if you don't communicate like, hey, I'm going to do this. Hey, let's do that. Like, hey, can you just like, record me? Because I'm going to play around with the melody till I find it. But if I do anything really cool, I want to be able to listen to it later. So definitely record this, but I'm just fucking around. This is like, I'm going to lay the bar down. This is the bar. Okay. You ready? All right, let's go. Because something might happen. And you thought he was recording because you. And then he didn't record it, and now you lost it, and you can't get it back because, like, it's just one moment of not communication and you have all this moment of practice, communication. So I think you got to overcommunicate when you have practice. So that way, hopefully whenever the moment comes that things could be fucked up, you over it enough to where you just had a synapse to overcommunicate in that moment to. That's why you should on a basketball floor overcommunicate all the time. So that way the one time when you thought you didn't need to communicate, you accidentally do communicate because you did need to hmhmm versus you think you didn't have to. And then he misses the assignment and you didn't switch, but you saw it and oh, I thought we were on a page. And then we just go, yeah, yeah, I see that all the time with the Dodgers volleyball games. I'm like, Jess, there's two. So like I don't play volleyball. But like I could watch life and seeing y'all out there, there's definitely one thing that like, you could talk that's always you're like one of your most important, valuable skills is to be able to talk out there. Yes, I learned that in basketball. Playing that like just talking to people. Yeah. Make sure you're overcommunicate with your teammates. But then like, especially in volleyball when the boss coming over, I was like, there's two you need to say either like mine or yours. Like it's like because if you say because if you don't say mine, they're like, oh, I thought you were going to say mine. I was like, no, you can, you can, you can kill that too. You can just say yours. I'm giving it to you, you, you, you take it. Yeah. Saying versus like, yeah. Because they're either like mine, they're both trying to say mine and like, oh, I thought you were going to say mine, but I didn't say mine because I thought you were going to do it. So we both missed the ball. Yeah. You know, rather always be like my, my man, you you you you you you you. Yeah yeah yeah. Oh and I'm giving up like take it. You gotta take it, take it, take it. That's that's good that work you said no coach that over here coaching the coaching life I feel you I just that I maintained those were soft hands I should hurt my hands got they've got rough hands. So I know this when we catalyst. But, another thing you can do is always if, if you and someone else call for it, it's like I'm going for it every time. I'm not bound out. If I say mine, I'm going to get it. Yeah. So like, we're going to collide. Yeah. And that's okay. I rather on some level I'd rather it's both collide than either of us go. Yes. That's, that's if we're going to lose the point, I'd rather both of us swing to neither of us. Right. It's you know, you tell your 12 year old daughter to. But it's like someone if you say mine, you have to get it. Because if you say mine, I. Then I have to. Part of me accepting that I was letting it. I had to let go. Well, what do I do? You someone else also said mine like you go for it. You go for it. They'll learn. They'll learn that when jazz says mine, she means mine. And you can address that now, whenever you're telling them about the mine in yours. And it's like if I. If you say mine, you got to go for it. If I say mine, I will go for it. And once that's commonly established, we know that like we can take each other at our word and do that for real. You know, it's cool here. If she takes that and then 13 year old volleyball comes around and then she just goes into practice and then they're not doing the things she's going to be like, hey, like yours and mine, mine and yours. If I say mine, I'm taking it, okay? And she's going to do that without you coaching her next time. And that's dope. That's like, oh, shit, you're an athlete. You could see something here. Yeah. When what's what's happening in this movie, in this play, in this game. This is what's happening. This is how we play the game. This is a rule. This is a thing that this is a fucking spin move, bro. This is a the foundational joke of fucking jab and go like drops. That got to happen. Yeah yeah yeah. Got it. And that starts with the talking. So there's nothing to do. Nothing to do with the game or like playing the game but like physically physicality. It's just communication. And an awareness of what's happening gives you an advantage that you can also have an advantage physically. But it's like a mental eye. It's like football IQ. So people talk about or like, but whatever the basketball IQ, whatever the game is, you have that IQ. It's like you just know how the game works and you know what to expect based on the input that everyone's putting in their behavior and their actions. You kind of know where what your optimum action is for the highest chance of scoring or achieving the goal, whether you're getting points or blocking a shot or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Totally. Offense and defense. Yeah. The IQ is like knowing game flow knowing game feel right. He could do that. Yeah. But there's nothing that's pattern recognition that's not even hitting the ball. That's just like awareness and talking. Yeah. You can do it. The the best basketball in my opinion the best basketball on defense. All five guys are talking. But all five guys know what's going on on a level that like it's like yes, I'm listening to your chatter, but I know I don't need to like plug it into anything. Like you're just affirming everything I'm seeing. So I just keep it right here. I'm like, yep, yep, yep. No, I got that. No, I'm there, I'm there, you're there. Okay, we're here, we're here. You. But like, we know like I'm screaming switch on switch. But we're already doing it. You know, we're just like saying out loud. So that way we can all be sure that everyone sure of what's all happening moving as a single thing. Yeah, we can move succinctly if we do that. Yeah. And then when you feel something like I'm doing something different, it's like, well, wait, what the fuck? You know? But if you're quiet, then you don't get that feel. You don't have that same kind of like, I guess, the synced movement as a team. Yeah, it's. I Call of Duty. Call of duty call outs. Everyone's just talking the whole time. They're like, I got two more. I got two in bar. They're like, yeah, they're just constant chatter. What's happening, what's happening, what's happening, what's happening. Yeah. Rarely does it mean well push push push. Yeah. Right. Because I just need to know. It's like I'm closing out. It's like okay cool. Like he's gone. That means there space there. So I might need to cover that. Need to move a little bit more this way. Right. Totally. Whatever adjusts, I need to adjust my whatever I may have been looking at because we as a defense, are looking at something that's a little different. Rarely is it like, oh fuck, I got a like emergency. Like, rarely does the chatter make you say, oh fuck, I got to go do something. The chatter is more just like keeping everybody, like head on a swivel, keeping the awareness high. Sometimes it's like, I need help. Yeah, that's the call out, you know. Yeah, yeah, I'm 3V1 over here. I need, like I need help now. Like push push push. Yeah, right. I was like, execute the thing. Execute the thing. I'm definitely in basketball I'm sorry I can't do. Yeah. And basketball might be like like I literally got beat or like backdoor. Backdoor. It's like, oh fuck I got a something's happening behind me. Yeah. Calling out Wolf. Yeah. Well, exactly like, oh yeah I got like switch, switch dribbles. So someone's coming from behind me. Right. And the best thing to do is to not look back, but to anticipate from which side you were vulnerable and then kind of like play away, away from that space. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Push the ball in front of you. And that takes awareness, which is this weird isn't talking. Yeah. That's crazy changes. I think that chatter thing is probably true in every team sport, everywhere. It's like a constant small chatter that no one really needs to say, because we all should know. It is probably critical to like being on the same page all the time. Yeah, yeah, I can see it in the kitchen for sure. You don't want to. And then it gets to the point, I guess, with some game types. In the keeping with the Call of Duty metaphor, if you're playing hard point, you're moving at a much faster pace, which is a game where you respond and you keep on running into the objective. But you're playing Search and Destroy, which is a game where you only have one life, and if you die, you're out for the round until the round is over. So it's like, that one's a little bit like you shouldn't be clouding the chatter with a whole bunch of if you're. I think it's probably better to overcommunicate in the hardpoint and then not under communicate. But I keep it at like, more minimal, more like interactive, more like actionable. Yeah. We're focused. What are we doing? Yeah. What are we doing right now? Yeah. We need to push as a unit. We need to call it what we see. But like it's a quiet it's a slower game time. Yeah. It's just slower and it's fire chatter I like as a person who's been there I know what you're talking about. Yeah I'm try to put my finger on why we do that in that setting. If everyone's like watching. It's like if it's like A1V3 here's like silence bro. Let it focus, bro. Look. Let it cook. Shut the fuck up. Unless you, like, know you see somebody or you hear something like. But even at when saying the call out to the guy who's alive, it's like I'm. Oh, I'm, I'm influencing your life. Yeah. You're like, no, he's behind there. He's behind there. And you're wrong. And he pushes because of your calm. Oh, you feel like an asshole. You die twice. You feel like a prick. Yeah. You lost. That's the game where I lost the game, but definitely influenced it. You killed him. You killed yourself, and you killed him. Stuff. Yeah. Call of duty. When I talk about Call of Duty NFL, we ain't talking about NFL. No no step brothers. When you talk about step brothers. No we're talking about the Eagle. What are you talking. Where do we go with that one. Do we ever come back to the Eagles. I just I wanted to like slow down the game pace as a point guard because I know like our time is a little shorter and we wanted to be a little more based. But are we good? How are we doing? I think we're good. Yeah, I have a lot to say. We have like a 20, a little over 20 some minutes. Cool. Want to talk about some Halloween stuff too? Yeah, just. Oh okay. You're pushing in that just so what Eagles are seven eagle and then clean our slate and then maybe talk Halloween at the end. Yeah. Let's do it. Eagle. Where'd you go? That's all I remember. What the thought there was a poignant thought. This was about the eagle. Oh okay. For me, I guess it was really just. I think some people are just really playing from their ego, which is not a good place to do anything from, like, anything. It's like, One of the ways it comes out is like public perception of you. So you don't want people to perceive, like, flaws or like in, like in high school, you know, how you're always kind of nervous that you might just like you? I wasn't nervous, but there is a trope out there that people are nervous that you could just take your social credibility and like one moment. So you're like a little on edge all the time about your social standing. So you never want to do anything that makes you look foolish, because then you might be the joke and then you might lose social standing and you're a nervous wreck. And that actually kind of makes you a loser, you know, like that, the social credit card score type shit, like in the Black Mirror. Yes, I think I did all of that. That was nose dive is what it's called. The ready episode. Yes. And it's like what it's alluding to that you could socially nosedive yourself. The fear of that. It's playing on that. Yeah. Tied in with, we all agree to that. To UK's new idea of a social credit score digital idea that's kind of coming out. That's just going bananas, bro. What's happening in our life? I couldn't tell you. Oh, fuck that dude. Sorry. Where are we going? Where? What's happening here, bro? Either way. So I continue, but, So so go to score. You can nosedive socially at any moment, but there's people that. So here's a super simple metaphor is like, let's say, two kids get pantsed one day after the other. Okay? The first kid gets fast, horrified, mortified, runs away, doesn't come back to school, comes back the next day with the hoodie on, hood on, face down, embarrassed, doesn't know how to handle this situation. And then the bell and suspenders. People are like, oh man, it's kind of lame, bro. You're kind of lame, bro. But then the same the second day, another kid gets passed and. Turns around and moons. Everybody starts laughing about it. It's like you fucking losers pulls up his pants and then just like laughs, goes on, does his day, doesn't give a fuck about it, doesn't think about it at all. Like that guy's social credit score would go up from the pantsing. Yeah, believe it or not. Yeah, he would be cooler. Be like, oh, he's cool as fuck, bro. You know, are you're saying or even just like in the, like applying it to the like the kid getting pants versus even the kid getting pants. Second has a somewhat different algorithm based on him getting pants. So the person getting pissed first, right? Because he's like, this might be happening now. It's a thing now. Like he was ready for it. Yeah, right. Okay, okay. That's fair, that's fair. I'm not ready for too much. But yeah, I just like the response of the the situation that happens versus the how you handle it would change your the social perception of you handling your story objectively. Yes. You know what I'm saying. Yes. Like, oh he handled that shit. Well he got, he got the fucking he had the moment and he, he spit some bars. Right. So sometimes it's not about being in a good moment or a bad moment. It's about how do you handle moments. Yes. And and if that's character. That's right. Yeah. And then the people that you would respect are the ones who are going to respect that. So anyone who's not playing on that level, you think you have to fade them out of your, priority care perception. It's like that either dumb like lions don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. It's like you literally don't know. You don't know what's important to think about. Why should I let what you think about affect me. And so it is the opposite. Right. Right. Like there's something there. Paradoxically, it's like you're stuck on some low frequency shit. And if I attune myself. To what? The opposite. You're in your ego. I want to be out of my ego. And if I make decisions from the opposite plane as you, then if you're making lame decisions, I should make good decisions. And I think that's true. But you have to find the bridge. Like, what is it? And I think in that scenario, it's what we're talking about, which is people will be playing out of their ego like everything they do. Yeah, yeah. Controlling their thoughts and actions. What is your decision making machine? Okay. Yeah. We're back to the definition of ego right. Yeah I think my, my I think my definition of ego is the thing that thinks it's Matthew. Yes. Which is. Yes. The yourself, the, the thing experience, the me that talks to me that eats the. But then there's a me that has intuitions that knows right and wrong, that can feel whether something's dangerous before it's dangerous, that knows the truth. When I laid my head down at night. And when you hear it. Yeah, right. Yeah. This is someone last time with Jordan Peterson. It's like, this is something familiar? Yeah. Good food. It's lighting up parts of my body. I'm like, the only things that do this to me are truth. You know, I like, love, Holy Spirit. Love. Yeah. Those things, you know? Yeah. So I think that there's a way to be more of that. More of that thing, less of the give that thing priority gives that thing priority when it comes to the yeah, who's dominating the chat, who's dominating your internal chat and what is dominating your subconscious chat. Yeah. Who's more standing on business. But yeah, some people we playing out of and yet we're, we're saying that we're referring to the like just you know how they think of behave which determines their matrix physical reality outcomes and how they interact with people. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Yes I think it playing out of the ego. So yeah. Yeah there's it comes across as smelly bro. It's smelly bro. It's like if I'm wrong about something and you want to correct me and you're not doing it a rude way, like thank you on some level. So yes, there's a little bit of like embarrassment involved, but like that's I'm telling you that that's the ego. Like the part of you that wants to be upset that you were wrong and this person knew something that you didn't know, and now it's making you feel bad and you're going to maybe act out socially because of that. Like, dude, that is that is child like behavior in my opinion. And I understand it. It happens to all of us. It's innate. It's part of being a human. That's that is the human. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Human aspect to the reality. It's embarrassing when someone knows something that you didn't know, I guess. I guess I'm like, how do you find out anything. So anyways but that's all I'm trying to say is I want to be able to say like, oh that's what that is. I thought it was a fucking avocado variant. I didn't realize it was a country. It's like yeah it looks stupid in that moment. But like also this woman is dead. All the moments die like immediately. Then you go into next month. Next moment. Yeah. And then now, in the next moment, I know it's like I won't get caught again and in a shitty moment. And then you, then you going to scale upwards. It's like, wait, hold on. If I remove all of my uneducated, shitty moments, what would my life look like perpetuated on more, better moments? And then you start like that. That's also the scale of how you would be thin. It's like one day of eating right won't make you think. It's like you have to scale a bunch of good choices and until to find a better result, like a new reality. So then that's what I'm trying to say, is, like when I see people who are just really living in their ego, I'm like, oh bro. Like, you're like super far from feeling free. So you're going to have to understand that you're making bad choices and then develop the discipline to make the good choices, and then slowly weed out your neuron firings for the habits of the bad choices, which is thinking, oh, I'm embarrassed. Oh, I'm embarrassed. And that's not even like a choice. It's not like I like oatmeal cream pie. It's like, no, I'm embarrassed. Like that's harder to overcome. So that's you got a lot of work to do. Guilt and shame. Yeah. Right. Same sort of vein. But those people that live out of their ego are making all the situations a little less cool. Little less mole better. Yeah. And so as much as I, I'm like, God damn, you got a lot of work to stop making my situations a little less, more better. You know. Yeah. It's the best fucking game. Yeah. That's the fucking game. Yeah. It's what we're doing here. I don't know why exactly, but with the trust that is for a reason. The faith bro let's put this will be this. There's no faith without doubt. And this idea that it is no faith without doubt. There's no bravery without fear. And there's no courage without consequence. That's what's hard. We need those those three points encounter points to create the spectrum. That is the scale of power. The emotional experience of experience. It's like true courage. Like oh you know I think Charlie Kirk had said that it was like, true courage is doing the right thing when you don't know what the outcome is going to be, whether it be negative or positive. But even so, yeah, like consequences implied, you know, I'm saying and even if, you know, there's going to be consequences, it's like, are you willing to take the consequence for doing the right thing in your own mind, whatever that is? Yeah. I heard one of the first Jordan Peterson Mikayla Peterson podcasts. I guess her lesson is different, but you know what I'm saying? Yeah, they said that when she was a kid because they're doing parenting. Once Jordan had said to her that there are rules that you should break. You're going to be given rules in school that like even I would say, yeah, I think you should break that rule. But you have to know that every time you break a rule that you should break, you will still suffer the consequences. And that's like by breaking the rule, you can no longer complain about the consequences because you are choosing to break the rule. So but that's the game. It's like you're going to have to do it and you're going to have to suffer the consequences for it, even though you think it's the right thing to do. It's like, fuck, that kind of sucks. But I get it. Because otherwise we'd all be like, I'm Harry Potter. Yeah, right, right. I'm going after the people that killed Charlie Kirk, and it is worth the sacrifices. And even though if regardless of what the the outcome is, you have to have faith that that is like your determination of what the right thing is, is right aligned with what the right thing is. Right? It's hard to fucking know that. Yeah, it is hard to know that. I was listening to a podcast the other day, with a guy who would had been a Nazi for 20 years, criminy, and he was talking about how his convictions were so adamant. American history X type shit. I don't know if I've seen that movie and Northern Curb Stomp, so I know Curb Stomp, that's all. It's all guys. If it were, it's good to Family Feud, I would have said Curb Stomp. Yeah, it's definitely associated you know American history actually ignoring Nazis curves. Not what's that game got there, What's that game called? Chain reaction? Okay. Yeah. On the iPhone there was like, the little webs. And you'd have to like, it'd be the movie, and then it'd be a bunch of things. Yeah, about the movie you'd have to get. Oh, yeah. I remember playing that a lot. I'm sure it was tight. You were really good at it. Yeah, I said the game's fun. It's life. But, yeah, guy, 20 year Nazi. He says, He says his convictions are so wrong. He's like, I was so convicted that what I was doing was the right thing to do. She's like, there's a couple of things. When his grandpa was in Hitler's army, looked up to him. He's a war hero in Germany. OG so it was like part of it was this, admiration for, family hero and wanting to be like his grandpa as a role model, but then getting that cross between becoming, like an idiot, an ideologue and brainwashed into those, you know, beliefs, beliefs and actions. Right. So but then, but then the takeaway that I took that sat with me, still sits with me is that he was so sure he was right. Just like when I'm picking football games, there's times where I'm so fucking sure I'm right. And just like you said, there's times where like, you're going to use courage and you're like, I'll suffer these consequences. Like, are you even right about what's going on, about what up is what what the truth is that the right decision to make? Right. It's like because there's the Nazis think they're making the right decisions. Yep. So who are you? Who am I to say I make right decisions? But the problem is, is that, the problem is, is that your, makes me pause. But the problem is, is that we are usually, like, nose on the sense, like, I don't, that's going to sound narcissistic now. Like I'm aware. I'm aware. Okay. The consequences of that even saying, you know the truth. Who the fuck are you? Right, right, right. Imposter syndrome. Fuck you. Satan. No, no, I think that we have a nose for the truth. Yes, I think that I'm generally aligned towards the true North and that God has given me a relative Holy Spirit that checks me whenever I get two out of my ways about, like, even just like, being too much of a gossip. There's times where I feel the Holy Spirit saying, like, I know you've heard in church station gossip, like straight up like that's like scripture. It's not like church people told you don't gossip. It's like a preacher in the Bible. It's like gossip is not good. And then so why do you find yourself feeding off of that? It's like, why don't you just, like, not do that? Like, I told you to not do that because there's consequences down the line. You might get distracted when I need you to be focused because you're gossiping like a little school girl. I miss the shot. If I miss the shot, kid, you got a fucking, like, even even the sniper out there for seven days. Kid, I need you on the money. Yep, yep. And I'm sitting. You've been like, I've been in seven days. There's no shots on board. Let me talk to something. God's like, oh my gosh, this kid, you know. So I want to have that. But back to the stream line I was on before I get off this train and let it talk about October, was that. It is tough to know. Like, who are you to say, you know what the right thing is? Right? Because they thought they were making the right decisions? Yeah, like the true Nazis. They're definitely. That's what that's what Jordan says. Read Gallagher's Archipelago because it's like the real question is how do you get there? How do you embody that belief? And then I heard another guest on a different podcast talking about he was hanging out with Jordan Peterson, and Jordan Peterson was like, hey, man, just like, close your eyes. Like, just imagine you're a Nazi prison guard who tortures people, right? Like, but like, we're gonna think about that for like, a minute, okay? Okay, okay. Just sitting there for a minute. We're really gonna like where that, like, I need you to, like, you do that and you're okay with it, right? And then it's, like, uncomfortable, and it's like, okay, so now that we've established that feeling that doesn't resonate with us, right. What would make that resonate with you? Because. Because now you've got the the mask. But the mask doesn't fit who you are. But then what about who you are? What if this was different or if this was different? Or maybe if this was different, what would you change up here? That the mask would then fit you? Because that's what the fuck happened in Germany. And it's a mind fuck how that happened. And I'm like, damn, that's kind of crazy, man. That's kind of the chase. You were talking about. Joe Rogan with the susceptibility to authority and power into the unknown and the novelty. Right, right, right. So then you've fortified your mind through Jesus Christ reward. Yeah. So I think it'll happen to you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Which is good. But but Jordan's pointing to the fact that these people truly believed it, and then nothing but like, this person on the, this Nazi, 20 year Nazi I was talking about was like a neo-Nazi, like, as in there's a thing called, like the movement, which I guess is current day Nazis, like white supremacists. People like the cliche archetype is jacked. Trailer park, white dudes who are bald, big sunglasses and swastikas on their neck. Yeah, like those guys. Yeah, he was one of those guys. He was like the leader of those guys. And he has since been like, I don't know what the fuck. Obviously like this black guys, my best, like one of my best friends I love him, I was wrong. We shouldn't treat people differently. But just in that moment like, yeah, they're not he didn't think they. You think things that are fucked up bro. Well what I have to believe. Yeah. Wow. That was fucking crazy with the Jordan Peterson thing bro. Yeah. That that's fucking what would have had to have happened up here or what. What what what fuels that. Yeah. What changes that. What scopes. What molds the clay in that way. You know what I'm saying to feel that fucking type of drink. The hatred juice. I think personally, I think people who aren't it whatever. Like I think most of the time there's some kind of matrix moment, there's some kind of awareness that happens. You could say there's a red pill moment where all sudden you're like, I'm woke. Now you guys are a bunch of ideologues. 911 was a conspiracy like that kind of is a cliched thing, but I think that there's a legitimate once you understand that mind viruses are real. There are people that are ideologues that, thoughts can capture you psyops, they're psyops. Like once you become aware to this illusion, to that, then you can start to fortify your mind. But before that happens, you're susceptible to anything. Dog. Anything. I don't think it matters bro. Especially in the formative years. Right. Dude that's the takeaway for me is that you're susceptible to anything. And the other takeaway is how the fuck do you know. You're right. And then there's I don't know mean I just truthfully think that if we follow the Holy Spirit it's not me. That's right. Yes. There's a thing that's hypothetically supposed to be talking to us, telling us what the right thing is, helping us discern that. And it's crazy. I think this is a nice little segue into because I think where has Halloween gotten to? I think we are now like giving energy to that type of energy that, that, that eagle energy where it's like we're going to dress up a lot. So we're going to go out, we're going to eat some fucking candy, we're gonna eat too much sugar. I think we all like the girls dressing like sluts. I'm not saying we should. I'm not saying it's right. It's the eat the eagle of like the flesh as pure flesh. Why are we pushing? Why are we giving flesh the energy, bro? Kill my flesh. Kill that shit. Is that why, pastor, it's getting ink all the way up. Probably, I don't know, there's flesh. I think he's, he's referred to his tattoos as his Matt. Like whenever. Jesus. Yeah. Here's a guy that was. That was the target. Yeah. Because he's like, he could have left it. He just left it behind. He's like, he didn't have to tell him to pick up his mat and walk around, because if he was, if someone were to have seen him after he was healed, it would just be another person. Because I know you are walking miracle and like most people are going to see you with your mat. It's like, oh yeah, I used to use this thing. I don't use it anymore. Or like, this is my testimony as to like why God is like, great, this is the shackles he's broken me from. And he's like, I wear this thing on my arm. It's like, remind myself, you know, it's hard. Yeah, it's hard shit. That's why they call. It's hard hardship. But come on, fleshed out all we give him that Halloween. How did we get here? I think I saw an Ruslan who's, like, a Christian influencer kind of guy. He's. He had somebody on that was talking about, like, the origins of Halloween. And I guess originally it was like All Saints Day, like getting like saints. And then that was on November 1st and then October 31st. First we came All Hallows Eve or some something to that regard. And then only within the last like hundred years or so, have we added the candy and the sluts. You know what I'm saying? That makes sense. Yeah, I think I don't know. George is 100%. There's a real big push post 1960s to try to push it real quick. Let me say give us society. Like we really wanted to have cookie cutter homes. Kids that go to school, does it go to work? Moms who stay home. We want holidays, federal holidays. We wanted like, a cadence that felt like normal life, especially post the hippie movement where people were, like, sleeping in fields, taking mushrooms for days on end. That was, like, dangerous to like a, like a, a stable suburban life being the meta in America, which the government also needed so that they could like, tax people and like organize shit because there was no internet and shit. So there's like, we need people like in neighborhoods, we don't need a million hippies in a field. Listen, in a Grateful Dead, like, what the fuck? We can't tax those people. Nothing. Yeah, we had a we had to establish the states and the cities and the counties and the census and the government offices in the spots to control the surrounding areas. And yes, yes, that was a big push from like 65 to like 85. Spirit of order. When we wanted some order in that bitch. Hell yeah. This is scary, a gang. Genghis can't be out here just fucking murdering people. We should be having that doc. Yeah, true. Well, I'm also talking about, like, specifically like 1960s through, like, 1980s, which is a little past based on. But still though, we need to. Yeah, that's where it comes from. Yeah yeah. Yeah. Right. It's real. This is the spirit of the spirit. I'll take you to where it is, but it's gone. So Halloween I think it's kind of a part of that though, because it's like, you know, we want to some routine. Yeah. So it just says Halloween originated from the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain. So Samhain, a pagan celebration marking the end of the harvests and the start of winter celebrated over 2000 years ago, Samhain fell on November 1st in the modern calendar, and the Celts believes that the veil between the living and the dead was thinnest on the night before the new year, October 31st, and that the ghosts of the dead would return to Earth. So as an Ireland, Ireland, I believe one would be just very straight forward. That's a very, pagan ideology, which is basically science fiction. And then taking science fiction and treating it with ritualistic energy is, like blasphemous energy. Yeah. What are we celebrating here, bro? The origin of Halloween trick or treating stems from multiple ancient traditions, including the Celtic festival of Samhain and the medieval European practices of soloing and gazing. What guys. Guys, like is someone else. Yeah. This guys, I would assume. And then soling unless a wrestling is has an in parentheses or quotes rather. Hey Irish and Scottish immigrants brought these traditions to America where they evolved and merged into the modern practice of child or children dressing in costumes and going door to door for treats, especially after World War Two, when candy became more available and suburban neighborhoods became popular for trick or treating. Okay. Okay. Is that what we have? Neighborhoods like a trick or treat? It's all a fucking setup. It's origins. Celtic, Samhain, medieval soul, the Christian practice of inviting people going door to door on an All Souls Day, November 2nd, and being giving soul cakes in exchange for promises to pray for the family's dead relatives. Yeah, but that was my guess for souls was going door to door because it's like if it's soul and guys door to door in disguise. Medieval guys. In parts of Britain and Ireland, people would wear costumes and go door to door performing songs, plays or tricks in exchange for food and drink. This practice was known as mummy organizing, so. Okay, it's like being homeless out your front door. Okay, keep it on the bridge, bro. Give me some shit right here. Cough up a fucking soda in a sandwich. Hey, bro. She's working here. Oh. Olive oil. It's like, we're having lunch. Like, sure. A lot of food. My neighbor, I guess. So the Bible tells us to do. Thanks for the story. Irish and Scottish immigrants introduced the customs to America in the mid 1800s, blending them with other local traditions like the American Guy Fawkes Day celebration, rather than the pranks. So sometimes it gets into vandalism, leading neighborhoods to organize events to provide a more structured celebration for children. The term trick or treating appeared in print in the 1920s 30s. This one is introduced in the early or mid 1800s, and then officially deemed by the government in 1921, 100 years ago, and then probably got pushed into the schools after that. Yeah, yeah, post-World War two, I get it. We needed some shit to do. You know, we all just came back, but, I guess the yeah, the association of I think I mentioned to see already was a, there's a Satanists I've seen on Instagram talking about Halloween. It's like the idea of the evil spirits or the like. We're close to the to the fucking shit in that time of year. It's kind of what's alluded to in the holiday, I guess. But even then it's like, yeah, because it feels like there's a negative association to Halloween or there's like a it's literally celebrating like, like murder movies and like horror and like fear and gore and what it's like. Yeah, yeah. It's like it's. Yeah, yeah. It's a lot of one argument is that horror and fear is real. So it's like you can't really you can't ignore it completely. So maybe it's good to put it in a box once a year. Okay. Open it up. Look at it, put it back in its box. Leave it alone because that's the least. Death is real. Yes. Yeah. Horrible things happening. Israel. Yes. And maybe the proper amount of responsibility. The least we can engage with it, but not engage with it so little that we're going to be receive ramifications are if we have fun with it in the Halloween season. That could make sense to me. Another thing that makes sense to me is so there's something about the stars bro. There's something about constellations. There's something about the design. Yes. The design is intentional. Yes. And it does things grander than look pretty. I think it mechanically pulls things. So hearing that there's a day out there where the veil between life and death is thinner than other days, I'm like I don't know if that's bullshit. Yeah. Yeah it sounds like bullshit. It sounds, yeah it sounds kind of going off the rails. They're a little hippie dippy freaky deaky. But I think like whatever fuck retrograde is. Yeah. Behind that is also in de Los Muertos is like, it's like there is a negative or not negative, but there is a deathly association with that time of the year for a couple of different cultures, you know, saying what they all wrong. Are they all just trippin and is that even a true thing that they even could possibly be feeling? But then I think partially, yes, it is. So like, who knows fucking anything? I'm open to being wrong about whatever, because I know that there's a shit that I don't know and I'm like, willing to accept that. There's the unknown unknowns, unknown unknowns, and unknown knowns. There's unknown unknowns. So, well, four categories of shit going on, and I'm willing to bet that the unknown unknowns can enter into my creative bubble of unknown unknowns, at least down to my known knowns, and then my subconscious instincts and my unknown knowns, you know what I'm saying? But I'm willing to have that luck. Give that the respect that it deserves, that this thing could be broken into at any time. And maybe around that time it's like, so maybe there is like a death partial thing going on there. And I think that because I was talking to my tattoo artist about it a little bit about Halloween, talking about Dia de Los Muertos, and he was kind of on the side that the even Dia de Los Muertos is like sort of a negative sort of Christian, not, you know, in alignment properly with like, what we're supposed to be doing here and what we, what we're being about. And I'm like, well, I think there's at least some truth to the energy of, like, if someone has passed away and you love that person, it's like, I'm going to maybe on this day we can be close and I can just like at least give them some thoughts and energy and love. And it's like a day, at least a moment of remembrance, you know? So saying, I guess I can't stay that for long, but at least be open to that window. Be open to that idea. Yeah. I'd like to say that maybe zombies and ghosts are a perversion of that ideal, that it's like, no, this is a beautiful opportunity for you to have, like a connection with something that's lost to you. And you could have a very artful, beautiful moment if you do it right. Or it can be ghost and zombies and murder and then America. Propaganda takes us down the rabbit hole of bullshit sluts. Exactly, exactly. We love sluts. A murder, the Janet Jackson fucking love Jesus. You gotta love Jesus. That's the spirit. The other thing is, a flesh is too much flesh celebrating flesh. Are you going to. Okay, so is Demi. With all that being said, I'm not sure how much longer we're going to because I'm not going to be celebrating Halloween per se, you know? So. So yeah, that's the one of the questions as well. So now what do you, what do you how do you act in with this information as far as like an energetic and like energetically charged social narrative event that we're all partaking in, been protecting it forever. And then the idea of where it came from and then how it how it just looks. So it's like, I'm going to act because I don't I never really celebrate Halloween with that. Like much intention or that much gusto that much like, yes, it's Halloween. It was all just like a it's like, okay, I'll, I'll, I'll play along. Yeah. So it's never really been a crazy attachment. Right. So it's that it's not hard for me to just be like, I'm not going to give in to it, like at all. I'm not going to dress up. I'm not going to. We went to Fry Fest. We did the fucking haunted houses and stuff. And I felt that with the daughter, because it's like there is fear out there and you need to be able to be brave, right? So that's an important reminder. Come it. Yeah. It's nice and you can do it and you can do it. Yeah. But then yeah there's people that I don't know I feel like it's a it's got some weird energy behind it, just my personal opinion. And it's like trying to trying to hug it, trying to feel what that is like. Boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop. I don't know, man. What do you think of this awesome whole thing? Some people are like, yeah, this is nice fleshly fear, yet you got to get to incorporate it. So I think we kind of I think I like that interpretation as well. Yeah. I think that's the most proper thing we can do with this. But are you gonna let your baby, your child be dressing up for Halloween? Probably, yeah. I think there's something formative about common experience. And I'm not saying, like, yeah, my my daughter could not do trick or treat, then be 25 years old post-college and be like, yeah, my dad didn't let us fucking trick or treat. I mean, I get where he's coming from. She might not have that level of conviction at 25 with no kids that I have at 31 with a kid, so she might not get it there. But I think that it's it's not even that it's she could communicate in that moment and still be okay. But it's not even that. It's just that like her brain is forming, like the structures that hold the brain up, fortifying her mind. Okay? Those things like need to do what other people are doing just to, like, form, right? Otherwise it's like she's going to feel left out and neglect and and, why aren't I like everybody else? And it's not so much about the Christianity the trick or treat thing. It's I don't want her to feel like she's not like everybody else until she's ready to say, I want to be different. And until she's ready to make those choices, I'm going to, like, give her a healthy American common experience. I'm not going to do all the McDonald's and all the bullshit, everything every American does. But I'm not going to do weird shit, like not let her go trick or treating. That little read Harry Potter. Yeah. You know, like, that's a perfect dream. That's right. That's too much. Too much, at least in my opinion. So to my. That's a pastor. Yeah. Come on. So like, that's too much. So I think you got a great hero story. And then also it's an opportunity to explain to them it's an opportunity to express a nuanced thought. And I think that's good. Seize the opportunity to express why you have a troubled relationship with Halloween, and why you don't want her to have a troubled relationship with Halloween, and why you want her to enjoy it and let her do it. That way she will. She's her own damn person. Just tell her and pay attention, you know. But the guardrails I'm going to give her some. Give her some of the game. Yeah. Total game. So I give her gaming agency. That's why I'm a gaming agency. Fuck yeah I do. I think that's beautiful. I think we wrapping her up right on time. I love you guys. Are we right on time? I'm freaking out over here. Yeah, we're about to head out here in a second. Okay, cool. We're chilling. One of 4000 more to go. See y'all in ten years, bro. Have a great life. Get the discernment. Hopefully get a little shot of espresso right here to myself. But my.