Novelty & Nostalgia | Forrest Frank, Disney Movies & True Caution | The MJ38 Show #90

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Welcome in, ladies and gentlemen. Episode 90 of the MJ 38 show. Coming at you. San Antonio. Texas. Matthew and Justin here for you. Let's have a day. Let's make it one. Not sure what's going on in your life, but you're right where you need to be. We're right there. Just perfect. It's perfect. We're chilling. Warm waters, man. Yeah, it's a good life. It's a good life. You got a good life. I don't wanna speak for you, but the reality is, we probably all don't really know what's going on in our life to the fullest extent we know, at the. At least at the surface, face level. What's going on? Yeah, that's all we can. That's all we can see. If you're a God fearing Christian. You're understanding is not his understanding. No. And then you didn't write that book. You wrote. That book is deep. You think you know what's going on in any book you read? Look, you read Harry Potter, okay? Page 20. You think you know what's going on? You don't know what's going on. So the same thing with your own life. You see, there's more. There's more in there. Just have faith in that. In the unknown. I think faith is the what? How have I said it before? And I think I've conceptualized that kind of like a faith is the bridge that connects the under, like, acceptance and understanding. And, I think acceptance and understanding. Because if even if you don't understand it. So I gotta I gotta have faith and accept that, like, it's okay. It's going to be all right. It's going to work out. There's a plan. You know what I'm saying? It's like I don't we don't understand fully. We can't. We just have a we just have a surface a surface level, you know, definition of what's going on. Yeah. Like and all we can see has always is the exterior of the car. There's something going on under the hood. There's a whole engine going on there, a whole there's like circuitry and system of engineering and like that creates this go this drive place. There's I can move to and fro easily. I can drive for hours. I have like agency, I can go, well, we can just go places. Yeah, we can just go on a road trip, I guess, get the like, you know, plan that out to a degree. But you couldn't do that. You could not 100 years ago romantic about it. Get in the car and start driving. You could, but. Well, also like in a more grander scheme of things, all of what's going on in your life, like the. Yeah. What seems to be bad, what seems to be good. Got a new job, got to move to a new city. It's like a decade from now. Like that seemingly huge moment will be interpreted, I think, differently than how it feels in the moment. Once, once you watch what happens, you know there's like more to be done as it gets there as the story unfolds. Yeah. There's a deepening in a more nuance that's like unlocked invisible. And you can see it identify it and be aware of it. It's like, oh man, life is crazy to look back at and see how you got here. Yeah. The story answer to try and look at it more and even such like we might get to heaven and then God's like, okay, here's what your life really was about. Like you saw you saw what you saw. But then here's like, all of the affect and impact that all of that life had on all the other lives that were around you, that pushed people in different directions based on what happened to you. And it was really more about that than it was. Yeah, we get we we, we just get our own sliver. We just get our own little personalized sliver of this thing so narrow in us. And like in respects to the idea of everything. Yeah. All, you know, everyone also experiencing that everyone's own personal a little sliver of existence time, imagination and physical form. Whatever games you play, these are the games we play. Games we play. Is that Pusha T? Yeah. Okay. It's fucking one of the best rappers alive. He came out with an album. Yeah. Recently. The nastiest year. Yeah. I think like a week ago. Maybe we can have a Lil Pusha T s what's up? Is it been, praise? There was a feedback. Yeah. It's like well received. Okay. Miles was on it. People really liked his, Hill contribution. Gentleman named malice. Malice. Show some ignorance here. Hurt. Hurt her. I have no idea. So, yeah, that's a Kendrick feature on it. Nice. There's a little wine feature I didn't like. I love Pusha T. I loved, the album. The before this one. I forget what it's called now, but Thomas Jefferson. Yeah, something like that. But I did not. I don't love it. I don't know the word. I don't think it's produced by Kanye West. If I had to guess, I can tell him I've been so out of the hip hop game. I was so like. Also, it's funny how I was so tapped into hip hop in the NBA, and then since high school college, I've fallen more into following the NFL and not as much into the hip hop hip hop scene. A more listen like for us, Frank, right now, dude, like I broke his back. Do you see that? Yeah. So he severed a vertebrae. You see the clip of Have Fallen on the skateboard? Yeah. Oh, that's like rough, bro dude. Yeah, but more importantly, did you see the clip of him laying in bed making the song? Was it that, after that? Yeah. No, I don't think so. Well, I would love to play it for you in our audience because it's the fucking dope shit I saw on the internet this week. Oh, cool. That is. This is, I reached out to him. Hey, if you want to do a feature film bedside, I'd love that. You know what I'm saying? Okay, this is like a Instagram post. It's his number. Most recent post. If you wanted to go look for it for yourself. But I'm going to play it and we'll do a little commentary so it'll get pulled two days ago. So right now he's laying in bed beginning of the post. He's laying in bed with a microphone and he's going to say, all of this, everything that you're about to hear, he is laying in bed like with a broken back right arm. A fellow fractured my L3 and L4. Here's a clip of it fracturing. Oh, falls on a skateboard. Hits a curb for this one. I saw this comment. I think this this is back in his backyard music with a fractured back, bro, I don't know. Let's find out. I think I'm going to just sing. I'll show Justin the video around it. Yeah, go love it. I was like, this is a little song for you know, for to you know what I the footage is this. He's a, he's not, inhibited to see from singing, you know, no vocal restriction though. He can make fire. Come on. What are you talking about? It's it's kind of tough, you know, because this is your first EP. Yeah, through the wire. It was a little more challenging. Yeah, but you're saying the same idea. You may know the save your ways. Better you make it a six. Even my life is a roller skates. It just is a rabbit about falling down. He was on a skateboard though. That roller skates was still. Here's a song. It's been about 2.5 hours. The sounds pretty full today, so let's let's just fire to see how this guy's got my back to you. And I, like you guys. Got my back. Even when I'm at work. Yeah, it's got my vocals. It, snaps. Let's go. I don't have to worry about another drummer. Said that this guy's come back. It ain't never. Yeah, it's it's. You see, if the he starts feeling that. Yeah. He's like, yeah I'm from the waist up. Just. That it was movement. Oh it's up from the waist up. Oh. My bag shit's fire dude. Yes. That's what you know. That's what's up. That's it. I'm so inspired watching that. He was just like that's pretty low hanging fruit right there. Around with it. That's really fruit right there. Yeah, it's real us, I guess. So, yeah. So I've been I've been more into listening to that and some whole vibe. And then I haven't really been into that, into the hip hop, hip hop scene, you know, traditional secular music as much in the last six months, for sure. I've been a child. I got to I mom and the hell out of that dude. Yeah, pretty much every day. Yeah. For for a good little bit. Now it's a good, It's gas. It's different, bro. It's just gas, bro. It's just gas. So it's almost dry was produced by Pharrell Williams and Kanye West. Okay, which fucking gas. That was, his second most recent album. Yes. And then before that was Daytona, which is produced by Kanye West. Fully. But, it didn't, I guess maybe because it's a joint production, I didn't pull it up right away. So let me just find the, it's called let God sort them out. I don't know, maybe that's just the name of song. Let's go, Pusha T, Spotify. Now it's called let's let God sort them out, which is hard. Okay, so sad, because God's gonna sort people like fishes one day from the ones that can go to market and ones that are for the bacerra. There's something else, man. Yeah, there's a. All you see is the exterior of the car, man. There's something going on underneath the hood here. That is our visual perception of life itself. Yeah. We see people and we see objects and yeah, that's very much it. Like like objects and things, nature, the sun, whatever. We try to conceptualize it, name it, quantify it, measure it doesn't. We can't measure it out as the intangible dog. What we're talking about here, the metaphysics is deep. This is that's even the thing that we can't see. This this is a was produced by Pharrell who's fucking amazing. So I think, okay. Pusha I think I definitely was psyched up before I was saying, like, I know what the thugs want to listen to. And I was like, well, maybe I'm not the demographic, you know, I don't know, I just said, but, what's the banger? What's the single? Have you heard any the songs? Yeah. People like, I listen to it to try to find the try to answer that question. Yeah. And it just wasn't. I didn't love it. Be honest. People like the the Kendrick Lamar verse a lot. I'm sure it's fantastic. I think you can just gotta be here. You can navigate life without much effort. Came back. This is the intro to feel numbness, but not me. I felt it all and couldn't finish seeing you today. Telling you he's a wordsmith who was leaving you that day will see God, the storyteller, waiting to get with me on my way to success. This morning. Virginia hit me and I realized in that instant our last conversation was against it. Think about it. Milestone. In terms of the Thanksgiving, I heard what I wanted to hear, but didn't listen. You said you told Jean it, but needed forgiveness. I see you with the deeds and stuff in the fridge. Is you even so, did you wish I never split it so you would chicken? You said a lot before my medicine. Said you was tired but not ready to go. So. Yeah, like you know what I'm saying? There's some there's some value there. But I wasn't, like over the moon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I much we can play the music. I think I always thought if we talk over it, you know what I'm saying? We don't get to monetize to Joe Rogan. This, I don't know, we can try. We we try it. That's cool. It's probably a it's not a super great concept, but if you hadn't heard it before, people are talking about countries first for sure. I seen it all over the Instagram. I was I say he can't be missing. He can't be missing. You know, he's in the yeah he don't really. Especially when he's coming out in the feature. He's going he's gotta come in hot. He's good. But yeah they did a press run there were over the internet for like last week. They're doing their thing. It just like yeah push these last time. It's almost dry. It was amazing bro. Some good shit on that. So I was a little disappointed personally, but other people might rank them differently. Yeah, yeah. Teachers are better, sir. No push. How do you see another podcast get demonetized? When we played music on them, I think they get limited in some countries, I think really, but I think they're okay as far as some of the stuff. No fucking I don't know. I thought that was cool. Not cool. Yeah, yeah. We're not monetized quite yet. Like to remain monetizable. Want to be eligible? Yeah. Yeah yeah for sure. Hundred thousand. Yeah. There's there's requirements, criteria and all that shit. Just a fucking win game where you just put money into it too, you know what I'm saying? Listen, if someone has enough money, you could just make anything appear at least, or gain the traction. You know, if you're a billionaire or if money is not an option or money not an object, you just pump the Mil into advertising for whatever you want and then boom, you're like, in there. You're like a competitor, you're competitive, you're playing. If your shit's good, you know, the shit has to be good to maintain it or to to continue. I mean, if you should even get an initial a million to get you a splash dog other if you're splash smells like dog shit. Yeah. If you splash and you're in the field pissing on people. Yeah, they'll eventually know. Yeah. But like, New ERA is fucking a great song. Rex gas. Oh, yeah. You're telling that or the guy said yes or you said you heard that guy playing it. Yeah. You know, I was working in a gym and then from a different a different gym. Yeah, he would go to the other. I like fitness a lot. I don't know if I met him through basketball or lifting weights but I don't know he'd introduce himself to me. So what's up then. He would shut me up when he came into the gym and I saw him over there and I was like, oh, so I haven't seen you in a minute, but, he is, because he followed me on Instagram. And then I was just in the bathroom and all sudden I hear, like, our music start playing. And I was like, what the fuck? I was like, yo, I like fitness. What I'm talking. Yeah. And then I was like, just 10s of like the just under a policeman just living in this reality, where then I realized, like, oh, it's got to be coming from his phone. That's trippy. Yeah. Okay. Got it now. Yeah. You still got to live in that. Hold on. Touch that reality for a second. Just bewilderment. I was like, yeah. I was like, what the hell's happening? Where am I? Where am I dreaming right now? What's happening? Oh, like, is this like a random person is just bumping the song. And I was like, oh, it's not random at all. Circle square kind of kind of random. Yeah, sure. I mean, fuck it. Yeah. That's advertising. Yeah. Walking billboard. But it's got to be good. It's gotta be good. Shit. Yeah, yeah. So New Year solid. Yes, but we got good shit out there, bro. There we go. Mr. Jefferson. Room. The great. The most recent shit. That's great. It's good stuff. It's just good. It's gonna. Yeah, it's gonna age well, too. Or it's gonna. Maintain that. That's the thing that'll hold. If it's not good, then you're not gonna be able to continue, even if you do put $1 million into it. But if it is good, then you'll be able to have some staying power and have some, I guess, have some staying power with a catalog they've already put out. But then also the question becomes what's next? Can you do it again? Yeah. What's the next creation going to be? The artists are always falling into that sort of or creatives in general occurrence, falling into that, walking that tightrope or it's like always of the expectation of creation and like just the natural, organic nature of it. Yeah. Like novelty. One question is, does something need to be novel for novelty to happen, or is it just need to be new to you? So I don't know the answer that question. I think if it's new to you, you definitely get that sense of novelty. But once you find out it's not new, new new, then it's like goes into a different part of your brain. So like I guess if you yeah, if you listen to a song on Spotify and then I guess you would find out what, like where that is in the timeline of the discography of the artists, you know, say, and then you'd be like, okay, well then let me hear what they're doing now. Yeah. Right. Yeah. There's something about the now aspect. Yeah, that hits. But I guess there's little shit you can hear that's, you know, saying older or whatever. That was the next like, yeah, if I show a person behind a lot of leaves okay, go ghost town. Ghost town. Yeah, yeah, that's a person. Ghost town people are you. And I never heard it before. People usually be like, Holy shit, dude, this song is amazing. It sounds great. Like. Doesn't matter that it came out 4 or 5 came in a while years ago. Fuck. Cool, awesome. It was like five, ten years ago, dude. Very nice. Joe Burrow going into the league. Really though, that was I don't know. Those are all canceled. That's what that's what I said that those are the same. That's the same entry point. I feel like typing that might be it's pretty close, but maybe. Yeah, I think I don't think Joe Burrow has been in the league for that long because I want to say that that out. But that song was on Kanye's album that came out. It was like, I hate being bipolar, I love it or some shit I forget now. Yeah. So yeah, now that came out like when we were working at the fucking summit, the fucking rock place, bro. We're gonna fuck. We're gonna, we're rocks was like 2015, ten years ago ish, dude. Yeah. I don't want to tell you. Shut up. What is a 15? So much might be ten years ago because we started we started performing in 2016. And that's like nine years ago. Ghost town came out in 2018. It's 2025. Okay. Seven years and 15 hurt me. I was like, no, no, 15 year, no. And then Joe Burrow came in in 2020. So about five years. But yeah, I was where my stepdad and I were talking about who the who's the youngest batch of quarterbacks. And I was like, you know, like Joe Burrow. And he's like. Massive. Yeah. No, kid. I was like, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? Joe Burrow, Joey Bird, young sensation, not so young anymore, dude. He's like 27, 28. And I was like, what? Joe Burrow? Yeah. No dog. Yeah, I guess, like, who was he referring to? More so like fucking like the rookies or to that. That's I posed the question to him. Like who? How many times do you see a first round draft pick quarterback come into the league and then be a top five quarterback? Doesn't really happen that often. And he was like, well, I don't know. It's like name the last year who were the rookies? And I was like, I don't know. Hold on Daniels. Let me get ChatGPT. And he's like, no, no, no, we can do it. And I was like, all right. But yeah. Then Daniels might have Caleb Williams. Yeah, he didn't do it. Shane Daniels went after he did fucking bananas. Then the year prior to that, it was like C.J. Stroud suggested, I went bananas. And then we kept trying to, like, go years prior. Justin Herbert, we got to like the third year. And I was like, Joe Burrow is like, not dog. Okay. Yeah. I think, you know, Justin Herbert, I know he had a fucking great rookie year. He's been in there for a while too, though. And he's probably he's probably maybe the draft class after Joe. Probably. But all that to say, sometimes you cross the threshold of the song like Jesus Walks and you're just like trying to cross that threshold where I'm like, this shit is insane. This is like too good. This unshakable, undeniable jazz chart stands alone, you know what I'm saying? It stands alone regardless of their discography currently. Yeah. It's like, if you could just enjoy the song for what it is. It's like, this is great. I don't give a shit about what else is going on, but I think there is a natural connection or like that natural like what else is there, you know? Yeah. That question, if you do find something you enjoy. Yeah for sure. Are you saying yeah song is hits. Yeah. But we were saying that in regardless of what we're saying that I got to like recently bias or like something that's if it's new new new. Yeah. More novel. Trying to understand novelty a little bit. Yeah. I guess there's something with that insofar as also like being, you know, being there whenever a new thing is dropped, that's a different you gotta be there for it. It's different. It's different. Like watching Breaking Bad, like watching the fucking finale with the world, you know? Yeah, that's pretty hard. Yeah. That's on the different. It's different is different. Or being there for an album drop at midnight, you know, or like waiting for the album to drop and then it's new and then it's like this is new or like when GTA six comes out. Yeah, it's the birthing. It's the birthing and being there for the in industry, you know? Yeah, that's the infancy of the public relation like card for you try to play Cod4 now dude. Modern Warfare two and like Black Ops whenever those were coming out and you go to the midnight release at GameStop where at Walmart you bring your receipt, it's like, all right, I got it. I already got it paid for, paid for, bro. You just give me the game, rich. Yeah, man, that was you had to be there. Yeah. That's different. You could download that game right now and play it and it'd be great that game like Cod4, which is great. It's just fantastic. Probably wouldn't be as great. I think it still would be pretty great. I think it'd be the opposite of novel. That'd be fun because it's retro, but like, okay, modern, nostalgic. The Warzone is crazy, bro. I mean, it's like it's like the model T versus a Porsche. Like what you would hope would happen with a car like, well, well, this thing be really fast. Okay, well, sleeker, you know, wheel clank so much. It's like, yes it will. It's like same thing with Call of Duty in the sense where it just got smoother. Better. Like they, they they overdid it. I think for a while they had like so many guns. So many perks, so much achievements. And then they like roll it back a little bit. It found the sweet spot. This is a lot of Call of Duty talk. But just to say like it didn't go it didn't evolve. So far past it that I just like if like, man, I like this. I like the simpler days. They like it. They got better, you know? Yeah, yeah. I see you're saying so. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like people user experience the gameplay itself, people that play video games right now try to just play cod4. And it would probably feel a little lacking a little off. I wouldn't, I'd be like, bog fuck yeah. You hit you with that bear across the map, but the spawn there die off the rip, search and destroy. What a time to come for. But also. Yeah, but, League play, bro, fucking league play. Black ops two. Yeah, that was the last part. Cod talk with Black Ops two bro. We got a yeah the be there man. You had to be there I was there I was there I spent spring break my senior year. Go on master great spring break I'll do every minute of it. And we're cooking shrimp. I never cooked for my life. I was just like most things that I cook, but. But what are you doing? Cooking shrimp. For what? For me. Is it. Is this like it was spring break and I stayed home to watch the dogs like I high school. Yeah. And so it's just me in the house by myself. Oh, yeah. And I was like, chillin. I want that shrimp that's in the freezer. And I don't really know how you cook shrimp, but I want some fucking shrimp. Let's go. But cocktail sauce. So I put them on Call of Duty. You know what I'm saying? Fucking sounds like a Thursday cocktail, baby. Yeah. So I'm like, I don't really know how you cook shrimp, though, so I like, defrost it a little bit. This is before I just ChatGPT everything. Yeah. And I was just, like most things I cook, I just put butter in the pan. What? That better add Broncos country. Let's. Right. So I'd have just like to with butter. And so it was like browns in the pan. Yeah. Yeah. Pan seared butter base that fucking great for sure. It which is really no what I was doing but I knew what I was doing. Oh yeah. And yeah that's fucking what a time dude loved it. Nice. Better than a beach. Maybe just as good. At least I got no complaints. Fuck you to be there, man. He had to be there. So something to that. The sun said that you had to be there, but also the there needs to be some sort of staying power, legitimacy and I don't know if it's competence based. I guess it is depending on the domain. But there's gotta be some staying power, whatever it is that you're creating, even if you do put $1 million into the upfront production for the video game or whatever, it's like, it's gotta be a good fucking game for people to, like, continue to play and come back to it. Title the title after title, you know what I'm saying in the discography, you know, saying whatever you're. Yeah, totally. You know, I'm saying. But yeah, like there's something there to both of it. I think if we were to put $1 million in a new hair when it came out, we would have garnered a lot of fans. I think we put $1 million behind the podcast and the music. We would fucking have some staying power. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Podcast is we keep coming out. We're relevant. We're talking about relevant things. We're very like in the now. There's definitely something like, I want the newer Joe Rogan's before I go watch the older Joe Rogan's, because there's like a missing component where I'm listening to the past versus what's in the now, you know? Yeah, there there's like, guys has changed. Things have moved on, the landscape has shifted and keep going. That was was Mars dug. We should go on. Yes, yes. Yeah. It's a journey versus the driving force of it. It's like, you just go just looking off in the fucking eternity it is bringing back wisdom. And just by the bay, it is bringing bars on, bro. Fucking love that guy. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. Those podcasts. Yeah. What? I'm Jordan Peterson podcast. I'm more inclined to watch some more recent ones for sure. And like there's because there's there's something the landscape is different. You're living in a different world now than it was five years ago. Yeah. Even though the podcast material might be the same, I guess that one's a little bit different. Music could be a little bit more translated across time, not so time dependent or like time stamped. As far as like the lyrics, if the lyrics aren't like referencing, like actual, like physical things, you know what I'm saying? Or like, timestamp marker points or objects that are just a subject matter that is timeless. Like if you talk about love break ups. Yeah, again, like being in love, breaking up and fucking missing somebody or all that type shit. Yeah. So. But yeah, but if you listen to, like, the Beatles, it's old, you know, because like, well, just the sound was different. So like, the sound is time stamped in our era of, like, music, you know? Yeah, it's like, this sounds like some fucking 80s. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's a that sounds like something or sounds like disco or. But I think that if you talk about like, oh, but people bring that back and fucking refurbish it and make it a different, make it new. And like we revisit those old songs and fucking sample them, you know? So yeah, for sure, you know, that type shit. Like, I think Trap Soul is one of my favorite albums and it just, I think that if it dropped today, it'd be just as popular. I mean, it's just so good, bro. Tell yeah, by Bryson Tiller true, true. There's just it's just hit after hit. Dude, I've had some really good. Don't I have that on one of my playlists right now? Right. Oh, that song is great. Rambo's fucking great. Yeah, yeah. Fight boom boom boom boom. There's only two songs I know, to be honest with you. Really? Yeah. The whole album is fucking awesome. Yeah, that's really good. Another Thomas album's fucking Drake's, Blue album. But the side in the sky, that was the same. Yeah. So good. Listening to connect. After we got off the phone. So good, bro. I mean, it's still so good. Let's do it this morning, too. On the way to the gym. It's good. Frog. Some sisters. Good staying power. Yeah. Is there something going on there? There's some movies that you just watch and it's like, oh, fucking great. Does it matter how old it is? It can look like outdated to a degree, but it's just like the, the, the spirit of the story, the spirit of the the moral of the story if like if that's like a heart analogy, it's like this heartbeat is strong. Like in this movie. It's like they're fucking on the pulse of something. They're expressing a truth. Yeah. Within that, I think ultimately that that's what, that's maybe what my differentiate some art creative art form, I guess in the form of movies and shows. It's like if they're moral of the story is adequately displayed and dramatized and foundationally sound enough and like true enough and like in line with objective reality enough to be like a lesson or to be like a expression of a way that life works. And we're like, oh, that's a good fucking movie. Yeah. That's it hits. Yeah. It's two different roads. It's like they're going to they're still traveling forward, but it's not the same road because one of them is the novelty and the other one is the retro. You know, like nostalgia, going nostalgia, going back to something that's great or finding something new that's great. And I think we're just wired to prefer something new. That's great. Then to going back to something that we've seen like, good Will hunting is an amazing movie. I think we, I think, I don't know, I think I can almost see like the argument of opposite of that because I think some people are wired to just, like, fall back into the and watch Breaking Bad again. You know what I'm saying? That happens. We're falling into the because yeah, I guess you're definitely more of a because I know that you've watched like a lot of different types of shows and like the stuff on Apple TV and stuff and like, like you'll give shows a shot like the Jon Hamm one and the, Dope Thief and a couple of the other Apple TV ones. Yeah, stick. That's good. The season finale comes out next week. I'm excited for it. Yeah, I think he might be a little atypical in that sense. I think some people like we venture out into other shows, but we need, I almost need the recommendation or. Oh, I almost need, like, the sometimes I like the universal side, whatever it's like, depending on feeling. But for the most part, if I'm, like, going to dedicate some time to the show, it's like I need to kind of have an inkling that it's at least that it's good. I don't even know what it's about. I'm like, care. But it's like I see someone's stamp of like, that's worth your time. Sacrifice. Sure. You know? Sure. I don't disagree with that. A there's was the time in my life where I was just going back to the office. Every other dude, the office bro was in the office watching Breaking Bad, watching. Like, I know that I'ma throw Game of Thrones back into my rotation. I need to give that in like another year or so. I think I'm coming back up on the rotation of I've been out of the loop of what have I not seen in a minute? I think Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, those are like shows that are going to be thrown in that loop. Ozark is another one we need to watch again. I haven't seen that in a couple years. It's like, I know that I need to give him some time to breathe. And when I come back to him, they're going to be fucking hard. Yeah. But also there's another part of me that's like the novelty part. I have the nostalgia part. I'm like, the soldier part's nice. Sure, there's. I think there's an entire working intermingling of both sides of those, the unknown and the and the known for, for shows and like just in life in general. But applying to this, I think it translates well. I'm with you. I agree with that sentiment. My the pushback, not even from me, but just I think for the argument is, let's say there's like a movie that's number one on Netflix right now, and you watch the preview and it looks good. Yeah. But you just saw the preview or you could watch casino. That's a lot of people's like one of the hits. I don't know what movies you really loved in the past, like, Shawshank Redemption. Yeah. It's like, you know, that movie's really good and you're going to enjoy watching it. But there's a number one on Netflix with, like, a good actor and a good plot, and you're, like, interested. It's like, which one of those pulls you harder? And and like we said, I might be typical or you might be able to we might not be like the exact average person, you know, but my presupposition is that the the novel experience would be more drawing. But that's not necessarily true. Yeah. The new new one. Yeah. Well, if it's like highly regarded people at work are talking about it. Yeah. You know, like you said, you need a recommendation. So it's like not a cold call. Exactly. You know, but like, if you saw the preview and you're like, that's looks pretty good. You know which way you might be, like leaning on it, but with no recommendation, no preview. Just like, am I going to go listen to this album that popped up on Spotify for no reason? Like, maybe not, you know, probably not. More likely not. Maybe that's why the marketing is important to like me. Push. There are people who are like that though, I think like I think we know like, Tim, one of the people we used to work with and now we're friends with now. So he's, he's, I think one of those types of people who has a creative express or, like, creative and curious and, like, on the innovator side of the scale. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trying to be or trying to find the novelty as in like, innovator, early adopter, late adopter, like that scale. And I think that that's the gears of how things become popular is like the innovator finds. It brings it to the early adopters who popular like is it which then gets into the late adopters and then it becomes like culture. Yeah, yeah. And he's one of those people for sure. Yeah. I think he's that's part of his personality. I'm not sure who else would share that or what personality trait I if I do express with. Yeah. Yeah, right. Just like listening to new music with no recommendation. You know, it's like looking for new stuff. Yeah. For the sake of new stuff or like, undiscovered something that's different or just good as undiscovered because he'll sift through the underground stuff. Like the, the dat pitch stuff. To try to find something that no one's really. Yeah. Familiar with. Yes. It's trying to sift through some of the local scene people of like some of the cities and surrounding cities. Yeah. I ain't got no time for that. No, no, it's a lot. But I will do it. Like, listen to anybody. I listen to Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson. And right now for us, Frank. Yeah, that's pretty much my site guys. The people I listen to, everybody's listening to those people right now, which is part of like you said, it sounds like you're like guys is a reflection of these guys in a in a good way. You know what I'm saying? I'm not like knocking that. I'm just saying, like, those people are very popular right now. Yeah, yeah. Fuck yeah dude. Yeah. Of course Frank said it all time high in my opinion. Oh absolutely. Yeah. Fracture vertebrae and all. Doc, I thought that was so weird. I was like why would that happen to him. You know what I'm saying. Why him. God force Frank. Just random you not random but like on purpose seemingly random to us. Yeah that's what we're talking about. The very beginning of the podcast, bro. You know, I'm saying just looks like on the outside he broke his fucking shit dog. He just, just severed some vertebra. Yeah. And then. But who knows why. Who knows what, who knows the impact that's going to have for someone who somebody's maybe in a similar predicament or going through something to see him in his bed, doing his thing like that. That might change the course of action in inaction for the betterment of future going forward. And we just don't know. We just can't see it or he just can't see it. But it's the faith. You know, I'm saying that the faith is what bridges the gap to that acceptance that that is the case. It's like, okay, I know that like, this is what happened on the outside. Like the car got hit. It's fine. It's going to get it's going to the body heals. It's going to like, I'm going to work through. I'm not going to trust that guy's gonna bring me through this. Whatever it is, no matter how big the mountain, whatever the fucking situation is, in his case, he needs physical therapy and movement and I, I guess I'm not sure how long. Probably a relatively long recovery process. What's that look like? Probably at least like six months, I would guess if you're a seven year vertebrae. Sounds pretty severe. Hopefully he can walk again type shit, you know what I'm saying? But I know that no matter what the outcome is or have faith, no matter what the outcome is, having faith and knowing there's like this. Like if when you get to that level, it's like, okay, I just know this is going to happen. I ain't even tripping. That's like the certainty, the maximize faith. Yeah, yeah. But it's a, it's a you had to express that because we're just given a small little sliver. Small little sliver. Yeah. VM should happen I suppose. I guess. So yeah the we're discussing the, the paths of novelty in this retro nostalgia. Nostalgia. That's it. I think that, I definitely was enjoying some nostalgic movies that had been refreshed, and that was really good. And, I loved them. Yeah, I saw that Disney was saying that, okay, this is like a I think this is the perfect thing that I like. What we're talking about is what Disney is dealing with and having to fight those that opposition or those two conflicting ideas, because they are they made, recently we wanted to go see it, but we're going to wait till it comes out on Disney Plus. But, we wanted to go see it. It was, I think it's called Elio. Elio. The, it's a Disney Pixar movie about a kid who's trying to, like, get in contact with aliens or whatever does like, it's like a that's like the backstory. It's like Disney movie about a kid trying to be, like, I have communication with, like, interdimensional beings, whatever type alien movie sounds like some double shit to me. Now, today, same thing. Watch this year communicate with the most time. What the hell are you? But it was, I think it was a big, pretty big flop. Pretty big flop for Disney. So did it. Bang. That's my question. I don't know, we're gonna all watch it and talk about it later. TBD. Yeah. Family movie night. When one of these days. That's part of the thing about, like, The Sopranos fucking banged when it was out. We need to watch that show. Oh, see, that's that's it. That's in my nostalgia list. I need to watch that show. But part of that is that, like, the recommendation is incredibly high. Like, not just my recommendation, but like, the cultural recommendation for that show is incredibly high. It set the standard. It was one of the first set, the standard like that in The Wire. I think we're kind of regarded as like some of the grandfathers, the godfathers, if you will, of of like great television. Sure, sure. I guess. Yeah. The question is, is if The Sopranos came out today, would you be hesitant to watch it? Because it was new? No. Now I'm all about finding a good new show. I love that shit. That's cool, I love yeah, as long as the show is good. If it's good, it's good, man. If it's fucking good, it's fucking good. But that's so then peace. Back to what I'm saying about The Sopranos is that they should fucking bang back in the day. I mean, it was good, bro. Everybody was like, again, I wasn't there. I remember like it there. The advertisements for it one, my parents were watching other TV, you know what I'm saying? Okay. And then like I went back and watched it because it was so highly revered. Right. Yeah. But that's that's part of the equation for all this stuff. It's like when good Will hunting came out, it banged. That's how it has this, like staying power over time and I think that I guess maybe some things age differently. Like you go back and watch and you're like, that show was really good. It wasn't appreciated in its time like that. That happens to think it happens. Separate subcategory. But part being ahead of its time or. Yeah. You know it was it was it received at that particular point. Totally. That's the thing. Yeah. But there's like Ozarks when it came out back dude. And I think that show's great. There's something about that. That part's important is it's got to be like hot in its time and received on some level. Received well for it to have that like staying power. Yeah. Because if it doesn't get received well initially upon the novelty portion of the birth or like of the like or whatever the fuck you know, I'm saying whatever it is, it gets a the relationship is public. Yeah. And it's like official. If it isn't received well, then the likelihood that it will have that level of intensity and impact and staying power is really, really low even it. Because if you if it does get brought back to the surface as like, oh this was ahead of its time or this is like actually really good. And it would just kind of glanced over. It's like, oh, this might be a little too late at that point, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's people don't want to hear someone say like, no, that was really good. People are like, what is it? I mean, now you have this perception kind of pre-built into your head. We're kind of programed to, like, believe what we believe and then and believe what other people are saying. That's part of what goes into the belief. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How's it being received by the public? Right. Yeah. Like, is there anything that you're a really big fan of that the public is kind of like not super hot on, like big fan of the public. It's not super hot on. I don't know, not really. I just think, like, in what way? I'm trying to think, I don't know, like, I think it is really good. It's like an animated show. But like, I don't think the public isn't hot on it. I just don't think people have seen it because it's like, I think the communities that have seen it probably regard it really highly. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So then there's something about that. Part two. Oh, subcategories of culture. Right? Yeah. Those niches. Yeah. Can you get out of niche and into mainstream. And then if you're into mainstream can you pop I think that's important. And then a lot of this too is like channeled into marketing. It's like if your shit is really dope you need people to be forced to see it. Otherwise they're like never know. So I can like take off you know. Yeah. Like if you built a rocket ship, you need like, propulsion to get it into the sky. The propulsion would be awesome. Yeah. Like when Jesus, Jesus walks was in the Jarhead, right? Yeah, in the Jarhead previews back in the day. Yeah. Dude, that was. Those are. Yeah. That's. It was hard. Yeah. It was tutu, tutu tutu tutu tutu tutu I don't gosh, only because I was trying to break down what I mean. Yeah, bro. I mean, yeah, a couple things that accomplish their whole lot of that when you tied it into dope warfare scenes, which war isn't necessarily dope, but there's something action. Yeah. Action. Taking down a door and shoot a machine gun. It gets the kids fired up. Get their gear. Fuck, yeah. A whole lot of that going on. But also it was in our face like we saw that shit. Like, I didn't have to go, but I know exactly what you were talking about. I knew exactly what you were talking about. I had to be the people in it had to be the people in our age bracket. Like, they definitely have seen that commercial for that movie and just know that that that song was on there. I was sitting in my mom's apartment. I could see it like today, bro. See if you like. What is that? That's big boy music. That's how I grow up. And listen to that. So, yeah, there's just. I don't know how many more ways to look at this elephant. See more parts of it. You know, some of this novelty versus and we've talked about this before too. Yeah. But I think I was saying that this is Disney's experience with this, this elephant, this yin yang black and white elephant that fights itself and just keeps on moving. Moving is that they put out that low. And then it was not well received. And they had I think they, I think they may have tweeted about it or had a post about it on X or whatever, and they were saying that, like Elliott's performance was an example of why they're so much more inclined and I guess not just them in general, but like movies in general, are so much more inclined. Movie studios are so much more inclined to be making remakes and make and revamping old shit and doing sequels to old and like, you know, say like bringing back some of the novelty and nostalgia because they perform better, they make more money. And he's like, y'all don't want to keep on that. Or like, did they being the audience of consuming the content of movies and Pixar and Disney, the consumers are claiming we want original content like they keep on doing remakes. It's like Lilo and Stitch revamp. They want to fucking Snow White revamped. There's doing Mufasa like some sequel prequel type shit. There's, you know, they're building off of the carcasses that are already been successful, but then they're claiming that they wanted these new things, but they're not going to go watch these new things. And it's like, Meg, I was gonna be a banger. I tell them, pause, pause. Disney. Pixar. Yeah. Okay. You made a song and it wasn't great. You made a movie and a flopped. It's like, that's going to make you say, well, we. That's why we don't want to make new movies. It's like, you better get back in that lab. Better get back. When you made Ratatouille, that shit banged, bro. Like banger went to the movie theater. Cars. Banger. Come on. Crying, bro. What does Jersey crying dog. What are we talking about? Animated, one eyed monsters making me cry. What are we talking about? You're making heat. You're making heat. Okay? It's like you're out of practice. You ain't been writing for a while, doc. You know, it's like this. What's been the one of the most well received? Let's look a little less chatty about this shit. Let's go. I want to see the best performing Pixar movies relative to what they used to do, to what's been coming out now with their new releases. Because I know that when Toy Story was coming out, when Monsters Inc was coming out, when motherfucking Finding Nemo came out, that shit was banging out the fucking block, boy. And now, like with Elio, it's the most recent example of a Disney Pixar original. It's it's not, it's not the same dogs are here. Duh. We're in a weird Moana. Helena was pretty well received, I think. Right? Yeah. People like that movie. People like Malala inside out to when? For 1.6 billion dog, 1.6 billion. Billie Eilish Finding Dory $1 billion. Oh wait, that's not even Finding Nemo. None of these are fucking. Oh, this is all 25 to 2025. Okay, inside out to Incredibles two is Toy Story four, Toy story three, finding Dory. Those are the top producers. Yeah. Okay. What's like the organize? You can organize it by a crowd in a logical order instead of like, top grossing order. He is quite a chatty beauty. This is honorable mentions to the number one honorable mention. It's Finding Nemo in 2003. Went for 942 mil. Okay, I'm at the time 2003, almost $1 billion in 2003. That's what I'm talking about. Okay. That was that was original content. That's what the dog and yeah, good fucking movie. Great movie everyone. Fucking love that movie, dog. I remember going to the movie with my mom. Watch it. Oh, that was 20 years ago. Oh, 32 years ago. Fuck. Sorry. I was a little kid. I remember it a little bit for the kids, bro. We were kids. We were like 10 or 9. Oh, my God, we were young. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. That was original content. And it's time. Oh, yeah. So yeah, it's like you, I think you guys got to keep writing movies and you go, you gotta do a better job. Okay? I think you got A1I wouldn't necessarily know in the last 2 to 3 years, but I would say prior to the five years before that, there was a lot of agenda going on in Disney. You guys went far left really publicly, and you were like trying to be very culturally relevant at that time, which was like being really pissy. Okay. So like, what were you writing? You know what I'm saying? Are you writing he or are you writing PC stuff? Like, not that PC stuff can't be heat, but it's like, what's the focus of your pen? Is your focus. What's the message? The truth of your moral or your story? Right. Like, is that or is that even what you're concentrated on, or is what you're concentrated on like when they're making Pinocchio, they were on that shit dog facts. Facts. That's what I'm saying, that you were you were writing the truth. Yeah. And now I feel like you were writing to culture. You're like, what do you guys want to hear? You guys to appease culture? Yes. You're saying form culture. Come on, man. Inspired culture. Yeah. So that's why I wanted to say come on Disney, pause. Hold on. Before you start telling me that you don't want to make original content, how about, like, you get back in your back? You know, I'm sorry. What writers are you hiring? You know, like, who are these people? Right? Maybe you got the wrong people in the wrong in the right rooms, you know? Yeah. And what kind of, like, what's your criteria for the kind of writers that you want to have? Are you looking for the best of the best, or are you looking for people who are good in the industry? Exactly. Yes, man. People who have. Oh, man, let me try to choose better words and what I'd like to say. I'd like to say who suck dick to get to. I'll say who you mean. Yeah, who smoke a pancake. Yeah, I have to believe me. Out right there, smoking sausage. So that's one thing that, I mean, believe me. Shit. I was recently punched in the face. Oh, no. Okay, the primary dog. If I had to, afterwards, a group of us discussed what happened. Deliberating. The textual intellectuals would do. Not unless I felt like the. If I could point a finger towards the number one reason why that happened, it was because I just said what was going on without using a filter to appease anybody's C. Right now I'm about to use a filter to to to not appease to anybody's sensitivity or ego is what I think the truth is. I just said what I thought the truth was with no filter, and they got me punched in the face. Okay, there's things I want to discuss about that which we can get to after we finish this discussion. Okay. Let's go. But the more of the story I truly believe when we're talking about this Disney original content shit is that's what you should be doing, is trying to say the truth without trying to appease ego or sensitivity and I think that's maybe where they fucked up. I've got a good list right here. So this is movies that they made by year and they're worldwide gross. Let's go. So what do you what do you look at the let's look at the most recent the most recent. So okay. So we'll we'll use 2003 Finding Nemo as a benchmark for in their bag. That shit was a phenomenon. Everyone loved it. Hilarious movie. Great fucking good shit all around good shit dog. So then we'll go to 20, 25, 22 years later. That was about $1 billion for Nemo, roughly just under a bill. So and that was back in 2003. We can do also a calculation, a rough calculation with how much inflation would have affected 942 billion or whatever the hell it was in today's equivalent dollar amount, so we can get a more accurate representation. But let's look at the most recent shit low. And then I couldn't even name the most recent like top five, top ten Disney movies. I could probably name a couple. Also like that Pixar dominated Disney. Yeah, yeah, not Pixar. I would hit Pixar because I think that was the branch of Disney that specifically was talking shit. Because now Disney is huge, bro. Now Disney's got superheroes. Jedis used to just be Nemo and back to like Woody, and before that it was just Pinocchio and Hercules. Moana the Moana. Sorry, I'm fucking jumping across Mulan. Mulan. Yeah, that's Disney, not Pixar, right? That's what you're saying. Yeah, that was like Disney drawing animation. Oh yeah. Pixar was like, it's the animated subsidiary or I'm not sure if they were started as a rival company and then got bought or if it was a like a sub branch of Disney. But either way, I think that they were animation different companies and they were fighting for people's attention. I think I could be wrong. Yeah, I'm not sure the true story behind Disney and Pixar, but Pixar was 1 billion recently. It doesn't have the data points for any 2025 movies. Okay, I just have the the titles. It doesn't it doesn't go past insider two. Okay. What was that? It just has 2024 on this. It made me like a chart. Yeah, yeah. Like that. So just this 2024. Okay, I could probably ask it, but, so. Yeah. Inside Out to did 1.69. Bill elemental was the one before that element. So I think we watched that one was actually pretty good. It was all right. What I get I'm just looking real quick because I thought it had more. No. Okay, cool. I thought my previous chart had more 2020 for, but it just had that one was the only movie I guess that came out for them. It's only 24. Before that was elemental in 2023 with a fire in the water. Yeah, people. Yeah, sounded 4.9 mil. Was nothing compared to 1.7.6 bill. Yeah, compared to 4.9 mil. Yeah, that is a huge difference. Yeah. Holy shit. And then light year I guess was a 4.9 mil. And then Nemo was almost 1,000,000,000 in 2003. Yo. Yeah. Nice elements of that. They're not hidden there. I thought it was okay. It was a, Also, dollars have changed. It's just a hard thing to find. Yeah, well, here's a question. Think a banger. People don't go to the movies anymore. That's true. And there might be was a part. Yeah, because I'm waiting for it to come out on Disney Plus or whatever. And that might be part of what made me movies. Makes it so much. Yeah, it so much become so popular, make so much money, become such a thing in our culture that it drew more people to the viewership. Was that that was the only place you could see it. Yeah. And it was like a thing to go see a movie that people did. It's still a thing, but it's not anywhere near as prevalent as, like, A thing that holds more social value. It doesn't hold as much social value anymore just because, I guess partially because it's, you can just watch it on again, I guess. Right. I guess what's like the last avatar is pretty big, but that hasn't big there has? I think there's really been like a a half to go to the movie. You have to see this movie in the theaters type of moment in a minute, because back in the day, you know, there's all you had to do or it's all you could do. It's like to when the movie came out, you had to go watch in the theaters, and then you had to wait if you'd missed it. While I was in the theaters, you had to wait until it came out on DVD and came up for rentals months later. So maybe you also have been partially part of what drove some of the moviegoing. If I don't catch this now, within this minute or a minute, like a month and a half window I have, or however long it's in theaters for eight weeks, whatever, then I'm going to miss it until it comes out three months later. Yeah, that that combined with like what people did with their time, like people went to the movies on the weekends, like go with your friends Friday night where you did snacks. Let's go to the movies. Like if you ever watch Seinfeld, they're like, geek to go to the movies. You got to go wait in line, go get tickets, go, go, go get the stuff, and then we'll meet you there, the whole place. You know what I'm saying? It's like a whole adventure. Like my dad talks about it like, that was like, really it. Bro, you get dressed up to go to the movies? Yeah, I'm going to the movies. Dinner. And it was part of the movie. Yeah, yeah. You know. Yeah, exactly. It's like going to the restaurant is part of eating the food. Totally. You know? Totally. And so that's. But then also what I'm trying to say is that, like, without that being a thing, the weight of the, the dope ness of it or like the it weighs less extra social value. Yeah, yeah. And because it was concentrated into what people did with their lives and because you were going to be talking about it, it's like now when you watch a movie that's good, like you might not even really talk about it very much at work, or it might not be like this thing that you like, highlight of your life, because we're watching movies every night. So that's the other thing too, is because the amount, the quantity, the supply is oversaturated. It's so much it's seen the good movies. It's impossible to watch a good movie every day. So watch it all. There's so many good movies, so many good podcasts, so many good shows, so many good everything. It's Fox. What do you watch with Drowning and Choice? Yeah, overwhelmed for sure. The spoils of plunder. Yeah. The spoils of victors. So that's that's one reason why I think that also equates to dollars though. Is that like there's not always there's so much different things you could be watching that it's less likely that you're going to watch the most popular thing at any given time, because you could watch all the novelty at all time, but then also it's like it's just not something like, you got to do, like you got to see the movie, Jerry, you gotta see it. Jerry. It's all everyone's talking about. Jerry. Yeah, you got to be out of the loop. You can't talk to anybody. Yeah, exactly. And nobody can talk to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I see the movie you get out there, right? I don't want to spoil it for you. Yeah, it's like it's not that anymore. And so I think that that, like, watching the hottest movie on the block carries a lot less pee. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not pushing a lot of cool. No. Yeah. It's not. It's not as much if back in the day, if you're putting somebody on a good Will hunting, you're putting somebody on. Yeah. There wasn't a lot of shit coming out. You have a fucking scene. Good. Well, there wasn't a lot of shit coming out. Yeah. Now, if I'm like, you haven't seen stick. Like, I feel kind of dumb, you know what I'm saying? It's like, not the other way around, you know? Like what? Yeah. What's that? It's that. Oh, it was a TV show about golf. Yeah. It's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this. It's not the same. It's not the same. So we know that there's so much choice out there. There's so much supply. Yeah. So I think that's one thing that like might be reflected in the dollars 20 years ago versus dollars now. So and then and then there's something maybe that's also tied into the novelty that there that Disney is talking about where it's like you guys don't want original content, you guys want the novelty content. And part of it is because it carried more weight back then. So it carries more weight now versus something new doesn't have access to the same kind of weight that that one wants to hold. Yeah, right. That's that's a nuanced take right there. It's like the the they don't make Pokemon the same anymore. It's like those Pokemon got different kinds of stats because there was a different kind of regime, because there was a different kind of mechanic, because it was a different kind of Game Boy. It's like now we're making these new Pokemon that you guys don't really know, and they're not as strong. Like just by the nature of the mechanics of what's going on here. So you try to put them head to head and it just like doesn't work. But if I give you charge hour three, it's going to be as strong as Charizard one. And then that's going to like be able to tap into those old metrics. But those maybe like the new metrics just aren't available because of society's current disposition on movies. Yeah, it's just a different cultural thing that has because we still go to the movies. We we've been to the movies a couple times in the last couple of years, for sure. Not a whole, whole lot. But at least probably like a handful for 3 or 4 times, at least in the last like year or so. And it's it's fun, you know, so it's it's still fun. Go get the movies and shit. But you could just watch it at home. Now, the watching experience at the house is so much more simple. So yeah. Okay. What do you think the average number of movies people went to go see was in 2001, right? Yeah, probably a lot for a year. Yeah, yeah. It's like the amount of movies that you would go to the movie theater to see back in the early 2000s, what, per year. So per month at least, maybe depending on their family and what you're into, I say at least probably like on average once every other month at least for like six a year. Probably. Yeah, something like that. Somewhere in the ballpark. So some people go all the time in like, like back in the 2000s. Yeah yeah yeah. Oh yeah. People. Yeah. But now nowadays I've seen five movies in like the last five years. Yeah. So maybe once a year, maybe once or twice a year. It's a real marvelous experience, bro. Yeah, yeah. I saw Dune two in the movie theater, okay. Because it was like I wanted to see it, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So you do the two hour. Oh, fuck. Yeah, yeah. Let's go. We saw we saw the Super Mario Bro movie, but that was just like, we just wanted to do something, you know what I'm saying? It's just something to do. But it's not like you got to see it. Yeah. Yeah. Like when Star Wars came out motherfuckers were like oh like losing their mind. That's what I was thinking that that was just though the images of those lines is what was coming to my mind like about talking about when movies were movies. Yeah. When movie theaters were an experience. Like you would wait outside, people would be waiting for that. For anybody that wants the rest of this list, from most recent to 2015. So ten years of movies, okay, inside out to at 1.6 bill money. That was the highest one. Yeah, yeah, it's the most ever. Yeah. There's a lot. It's a lot. Elemental did four mil light year to 2 million. Turning red to 2 million. Luca, which I think was released pretty quickly to streaming services, did 400,000. Luca. Yeah, it's not even a mil. Can't even tell you. It's about a boy who just like Aquaman, kind of. Okay, relationship with the sea. I think. Onward did 1.4 million sold at 1.2 million. Toy story for 1 billion. Damn. Incredibles 21. 2 billion. Damn cars 3.3 million. Coco did 8 million. Finding Dory 1 billion. The Good Dinosaur 3 million. Inside out 8 million. Then the inside out wanted 8 million. But then the second one did 1.6 billion. What in the fuck? Yeah, they went off the how they do that I don't know, kids really like maybe it's a banger. Said I was good as fuck. I haven't seen the second one. I haven't seen the first one. The first one I thought was pretty good, but the I can't really remember at 100%. But how did they go from 8 million or 9 million kids were having like inside out themed birthday parties that became real commercialized with kids. So maybe that's part of what drove it so much. I couldn't tell you, bro, that I think that's an astonishing jump to go to 1.6 Bill to be the most ever equal. Yeah, and the original didn't even do shit. It's like adding to the numbers. So boring. Are Dory finding Dory makes sense to have a billion after Finding Nemo was like pretty close to a billion. I sense oh, such a beauty. Why did so good? Okay, so now to just went nuts. Monsters University did seven mil. That's it. Yeah, dude. Monsters University was so hard. These these stats are fucked by movie. You lost which activity? These are it just like, how did you watch Monsters University? I can tell you, I stream that shit on Disney Plus. Probably did too. Yeah. So we're not giving them any money for that. You know, this is like this. Or from movie sales or from theater sales. It was just total gross. These are box office earnings. Box office hurt her hurt. So yeah, definitely to watch out in the theaters. Now let's ask you why. So that's what we're talking about. And said oh yeah one. How did Inside Out one increase that heavy. That's fact bro I think I saw a clip of this on Instagram or where somebody I think it was Andrew or Santino, the guy with the red hair from. Yeah, he was on a Joe's podcast and he was talking about the difference between 1 million and 1 billion, say like 1,000,000 seconds and versus like 1,000,000,000 seconds. And he was saying that 1,000,000 seconds is about I'm going to butcher it a little bit. But he was like, it's multiple days. It's like seven days or eight days or something like that. But 1,000,000,000 seconds. He's like 31 years. So it's like to go from 9 million or whatever to 10 million, 10 million or say 10 million to 1.6 billion inside out went nuts. I never even seen the second inside out. How do people how did they get so many people to go to the theaters for that? This is, the 2024 last year. So it's 2015 to 2024. So isn't nine years in between the movies? So Joy, sadness and the rest of the motions had become beloved characters in that time? Really long decade buildup created by created nostalgia among older fans and anticipation for newer audiences. Says post-pandemic theatrical rebound 2024 theaters are doing a lot better post-pandemic. Like they kind of built back up. Yeah, I guess that was a huge theme from 2021, 22 and 23 to kind of be in the rebuilding of the goal. Let's go back out to the movies type thing. Let's go back out to dinner. That thing. Yeah, that we have shut down for a year, like nine months, whatever it was says, the release in the summer, and there just wasn't as many good movies out at the time. Also, it says the kids who are 20 and 15, we're now young adults. So like the emotional maturity that they went through made the movie, like more complex. So it like, did better because, I guess what they're saying is age with their audience. Yeah. Well, it was like a nuanced movie that was like for kids on surface level, but for adults on the nuance level. But then because it was a decade between 1 and 2 coming out that, like, the kids were able to watch it more as adults. That's saw the first one. And so that like led to, I guess, more of them enjoying the movie. But, I mean, I don't know how that drove people to order. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's just they did maybe just really fucking good. Massive marketing push. They did trailers, merchandise, social media and tie ins. Pixar also released the introduction of new emotions, which generated online buzz and a lot of meme traction. And then Pixar had a string of underwhelming box office showings, like your elemental look at went out to streaming Inside Out to became the first Pixar event film in years. And so it was kind of like a rebound for Pixar as a whole. Yeah, maybe they changed their marketing approach. How much money did they put into this one versus the other? Oh, it says they also went worldwide, so had really strong performances in China, Latin America and Europe, which contributed a lot. And then TikTok, So where's the global? I guess I was just going to say that they may have changed their marketing approach or like their I guess marketing approach is the one I'm trying to say. But within that, there's multiple different aspects that they could have tweaked and changed and variables they could have adjusted to get a different marketing out output a result. So I'm sure they changed a couple things between inside Out and then the other three movies before that one, like Luca Elemental and then Lightyear. Yeah, those only made a combined like ten mil. Not even. I think it's also a reflection of, the movie theater not being a viable option for people to go to. And people were still afraid in 2021 for sure. Yeah. 22. That number decreased a little bit. 2023 did a little bit more, because if you want box office sales, you'd have to not release the streaming services. But if nobody's going to see your movie in the theater, you have to release the streaming services so people can at least fucking see your shit. But ideally, your movie would be so good that people would go see it in the movies, even if you didn't have it on streaming services. But nobody was going to the movies like that. That demographic wasn't. It was like grayed out. It's not going to happen. So that that seems like part of it, too. Yeah, that's a big thing that we have to just like, really, re associate that variable into how we think about timelines and chronological orders of things, because 2020 was just like a year where you were a reverse, like a fucking DJ mixing up the timetables of the like, bunch of sheep out there. I don't I don't really don't understand it. People don't want to go outside, determine timetables of life. There was a virus that was going to kill all the children. Matthew. There was a children killing virus out there. Who's going to kill your grandmother and your daughter? And it's going to kill you. All the shocks to. That's what they said on all the bees. All the bees are fucked. MSNBC so that was the headline for sure. But that was the case. It just wasn't the case. Wasn't the case. Anthony Fauci lied to you guys gonna get demonetized? It's it's it's it's just crazy. I just it just goes to show a couple things. You know, it's just exposing some social. Social chinks in the armor of human beings. What do you say? No. What did you call this? What are these? We have flaws. Human beings have flaws. When they get together and become people. You know, the human. I think men in black as a human is smart. People are dumb. That's. That's good, that's good. That's a good quote. That's just facts. Humans, individual person. It's pretty, pretty chill. But then when you get in front of people and around other people and those groups of people become larger and larger, and then they have to exhibit some sort of authority over the other people, or there's gotta be some sort of law and order there. So no one just fucking does what they want to do and take what they want to take. Imbalance, disharmony. There's a thing going on here. We're all intermingle ING in this fucking YouTube. I guess it just showed that a lot of people mixing in this Uber just, Guess a two things for sure. At least people are willing to manipulate and the people are willing to be manipulated. It's like those things are going on. Both those forces exist. It's like, oh, fuck. It's like you try to manipulate me. No. And then other people are like, okay, okay, tell me what's going on, please. Yes, bro. Oh, it makes me sick when you see it in regular life. And there's also the, CIA guy on Joe Rogan. We talked about talks about people have, the CIA or the undercover guy nature based on. But, the guy who was talking about, how you can hack people's minds more or less, and how he did it for fighters and stuff like that. Attacks? Yes. The hypnotist kind of guy. Yeah. He said people have a suggestibility to them. Yeah, that's either high or low. And then some people just do have a high suggestibility natural base that and then, I think we probably just have a low suggestibility base that, that makes me be like, what are you guys see? But it's like it's kind of built into human nature. It's hard to like you have an openness that we give the authority to things. Yes. Or someone in authority can convince you of things if you're convinced that they're in authority. Yeah. If you're suggestible to be convinced. Yeah. Some people are like very hardheaded. It's like you can't, you can't convince them, can't convince a shit. Even the truth. The doctors, you know, saying like fuck you. What do you know. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Doctor. Yeah, right. Fucking pussy is what you want. What do you go to school? Medical school. All right. But, there's a little bit of that skepticism. That's good. The spirit of that rebellious spirit or like, skeptic nature. It's a little bit good. There's a little bit of, I think, benefit to having some sort of hesitancy in just. Okay. Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. It's at least you got to pass the eye test and you're at least be decent. Yeah. So everyone just has a different a scale, a different sliding scale where they have that I guess within their own personality and the develop that part of their personality. Yeah. But some people are just there's hackable things like if Matt Damon just walked into this room with a suit, glasses on, slicked back hair and a briefcase and said, hey, gentlemen, you're being sued. Okay? I need you to look at this document right now that some people would be like, what's going on? Oh my God, dude. Hold on. I don't have a lawyer. Let me call my dad. Let me look at this. What's going on here? You know what I'm saying? Like, but then other people might be like, who the fuck are you? I thought I locked the door. What are you doing in here, bro? Get the door. I need to move this guy's ass. You know what I'm saying? But. Novelty. Surprise, confidence. Like, not attractiveness, but like, like a put together image. Charisma. Those things, hack into people's suggestibility. Yes. And so that's why I'm saying, like, those things. Authority. Totally. Yeah, exactly. You assign authority subconsciously. You got to kind of be aware of like what are you assigning authority to. So that's part of it. But also I headed with that DeHart bro I figured God help me figure who are you brought your guy back. Who the hell if I'm a house. That's right I'll keep you safe bro. That's how I keep you real safe. Don't. Yeah. Because people want to prey on fear, too. It's like, oh, your car is going to explode in the next ten days. If you don't pay a $3,000 for this repair, like some people like, oh my God, my car was your last. Yeah. With the fucking the same people who are doing like, the the toll tag type shit. You know, there I used as a last warning before we come coming to collections. It's going to be whatever it is. Click here to pay your bill or your bill. It's like, you know, fucking dick, bro. Yeah, they pay out fair. I figured bro I feel like I owe me one thing with the pandemic was the preying on fear. And I fear God. Oh yeah. Death is a fucking like if you're going to just like some people are like well I was going to like on the side of caution, you know what I'm saying. Like what's the you know, I take a vaccine and maybe nothing happens, or maybe I take the vaccine. It saves my life. I agree, I'm a person who would classify myself as one who cares. On the side of caution more often than not, you know? So I guess I guess, what does that look like? Transfer to some versus others in there in regards to that? You know, the situations like I'll wear the mask. Except for when the Who said that the mask doesn't do anything. The who the the World Health Organization. Okay. Who literally the who W.H.O.. Yeah. When they said the mask. Who are you who who who who oh man. What job animator who we we got to say. Well that song bring it back. Oh that. I just want a eurostep real quick. This was a remix. I was at the gas station last night. I'm going. I'm gonna come right back. I can't, it's a weave. I'm getting into my car and I hear on the radio behind me. Okay, it's a song. It's like, it goes, can we go right back to where we started from? I don't know the rest of the song, but just like that song. Yeah, yeah, it's coming. Hold on. I I'm something it out, dude. Well, I fuck. What is it? Starting from? Fuck. Last night. What is that song? He does some trivia. Son of a bitch. Got him over to. Really? Oh, damn, love. He's good looking bistro doing here, maybe? Yep. I'm at it. I got it. Okay. What is it? Oh my God, Beto, did I read it? I don't know what it is about that song, bro, but I just freaking caught the fire, bro. I was like, you know, is good love looking bistro. I, I, like, got in the car, close the door. I want to start my car in a, open the door back up and just let that ride for a little bit. Just there for five more seconds. Yeah. That's very that's part of where novelty hit my brain too. Last night I was like, how was that song? How did that stop me in my tracks? That brought me places? I'm in a vibe right now, dude. Like what? What? How I don't know. Sometimes I think things get associated in other things, and that makes them more powerful. Like, some songs are just in movies when, like, things are happening that carry like weight and emotion, that we then tie into our own memory bank of weight weighted emotions and then like that, fuzes us to this song and that song becomes bigger than like instruments and voices. Yeah. And movies will really do that for us. Emotional attachment. I wonder if that's why Jesus Walks is so powerful. She's like, we both have that core memory of watching the Jarhead see that scene, that commercial, I don't know. But yeah, there's like songs that are used in movies throughout time, like over and over again, you know, like common songs that just are in the score of movies. And I think that that makes them more powerful songs, for sure. It's like that song. Don't you do that. Then don't forget about me, okay? Why the fuck haven't we moved on from that song is one question I have. Like, I don't understand. Timeless, bro. This is a timeless idea. I this came to mind as well. The idea of like, did these timeless songs when we were looking through some songs for the wedding. It's like they're just songs that are just fucking hits. Wow, wow. Don't know. That's so weird to me because they're always played at weddings. You delivered. Oh, y'all, dude, they get more as more power. Like every wedding that plays that song, it just gets fatter and bigger. Stronger. You know, Mariah Carey dog. All I want for Christmas is you, dog. Every year do every fucking elephant dog just making memes off that shit. Still to this day, I just more is more. It's a big tree in the forest of the Amazon. Gets more sunlight. It's getting all the nutrients. Yeah, that's a weird thing to me. All the nutrients. As a separate side note, but then coming back to Covid talk, what do you think? Would it be over by now as well? While World Health Organization said that the masks are bullshit. Yeah. And on top of that, my own fucking dome was like, first of all, this ain't gonna do much. There's definitely a gap right here. My nose creates a gap and I can, like, try to push it down. But ultimately, like, right here, they will this little gap right here. So like, if it's just like a breath virus, you know what I'm saying? Like, I can't breathe out loud without a filter or people are going to get sick. It's like that shit doesn't check out. And then then people are saying it's like, well, it's your spit, just saliva. So like sometimes you'll be talking and you'll hit that pea a little too hard and a little droplet, a morsel of spittle come out, and that could kill somebody. And it's like, that's why I gotta wear a mask. It's just like, did it? It never made a whole lot of sense. But then you were saying you on the side of caution and I would have you to wear a mask. But like, after there was like a little bit of science came out and it's like the mask isn't really doing that much. People were still people still wear the mask today dog to this day, okay. And I'm like, that's not erring on the side of caution. That's just being weird. That's a little bit on the, where wherever that like caution the ability to or not even ability because it's a couple of different factors. I guess it's like the suggestibility to the information that someone is telling you and then like, just like being cautious, personally kind of two different things. So someone have much bigger. I'm not going to listen to you because fuck you. And like so like, I'm just going to not rebel against you, but like, I'm just like, going to be more hesitant to listen to what this person is saying and then, yeah, like, are you a cautious person by nature anyway? Because, yeah, that's just like ultimately being slid all the way over to like overly cautious, like ridiculously cautious and then overly suggestible, ridiculously suggestible to like the severity and like the necessity for this thing. It's like you're still it to this day, 2025. You're a slave. That's crazy. That's wild. Yeah. Yeah. Can blow away I can do it boy. Yeah. And in a sliding scale, the idea of imminent death for you and your loved ones and combined with the potential end of the world and society as we know it made you caught a higher number of people willing to like on the side of caution. At least you know what I'm saying. But once it got to the vaccine portion, I was just like, okay, okay, hold on. What are we talking what are we doing here, y'all? What are we talking about? Yeah. No reason I didn't trust vaccines and red flags. Yeah, it got to a point where I was like, I'll let y'all see how that goes before I see how that goes. But it's funny because I'm listening to Bill Burr talk to Joe Rogan, and he was obviously on the other side of the coin that I'm on, where he thought I was being stupid. He thought Joe was being stupid. This is Bill Burr. Yeah, this is like an older episode back in 2021 or. Yeah. And he Joe was like, yeah, we're going to start performing again and age very well. No, Mr. Burr no, I know Bill Burr was about to life bro. He's I think that Bill Burr I think you're kind of scrub. No. Bill Burr I thought you were cool. You just scream shit, bro. Is he. Could he just scream shit, bro? Oh he's not. He's talking shit about church people. Oh, he's not naked. He's just like, yeah, job. I cut out on church because, well, let's realize this is just a guy, you know, he float down from the ceiling. He didn't glow mystical colors. He's just a guy telling me it's like, well, you don't die, do you? Going to go to hell. Wow. Listen to a guy tell me. I'm going to go. Have you ever died? Have you ever seen two roads going one way or the other? Well, how would you know? I'm like, you're a scrub. You're a scrub. I this is a guy. Obviously, anybody speaking to any group of people is just a person. Just a human. Yes. They scratch their nuts. Yes, they have bad breath. Sometimes you take shits. That does not mean that they're not able to express information in a way that you should digest. Okay. But then on top of that, yeah, that's his fucking stance on the Covid stuff was like he was telling Joe, like, I'll let you guys go back out in the public and see how that goes for you. It's like, no way. Really? Yeah. Oh, you're you're silly. And I was like, goose. And right now you're goose talk. You can you can go ahead and get the vaccine. I'll see how that goes for you guys. You know what I'm saying? Like, hey, that was a similar stance for sure. Disposition. The exact looking at the exact same thing from the equal and opposite angle. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And I don't know, my dad was real. Like the boomers really trusted science, more trusted the government like medicine was the same. More people trusted the science and the government. Right hon. For the boomer generation. Yeah. So when like the government comes out and says the current science says this is the number one method to prevent you from getting this terrible virus. Yep, yep. The boomers were like, well, we trust science. I'm all about it. Relatively trust the government. We should do what they tell us to do. But then for me, I'm like the government vaccines. It's like there's a lot I don't necessarily trust those things. So I think that that was like a generational difference happening there too. Yeah. It's like science by who? Yeah. Right. I'm like, was conducting and funding the science. It's like the sugar companies paying for the science studies that say that stevia is bad for you. Well, it wasn't stevia was, under whatever it was the equal sweetener. Yeah. Aspartame is the blue one. Forget what the sucralose is. The yellow one. Saccharin or saccharin? I think that is it. Something like saccharin will give you cancer. It's like. But the sugar companies funded a bunk study where they gave rats, like 80 to 90 packets of saccharin until it died. It's like shove it down their mouth until they died and said, this, it'll kill you. Saccharin kills. That's not a joke. That's what happened. There was like, an autistic. Yeah, I think I've ever heard about that. They're seeing that it was like the. In order to get the equivalent amount of saccharin to to kill a human, you would need to. Or do you need a drink like, like a, like 2000 gallons or some shit. Some some crazy amount of Diet Coke? Insane, dude. Yeah, yeah. It's not that shit ain't gonna happen. And so a Diet Coke actually is aspartame. Okay. But still, though, you know what I'm saying? Whatever it was. Yeah, there's something ridiculous. That's. But. Yeah. See, that's that's something you can literally you can just say there have been scientific studies that have proven that saccharin has killed people. Oh, yeah, it can kill. It can kill someone. Oh my God, really? It can't. What should I do? See. Right. It's said give me more. Please don't tell me. Drink coca cola, regular coca cola. Okay. You got it. It's like bro, it's sugar cane sugar. Yeah, yeah. Pink sugar. Okay. It's like no it's not I mean there's, there is drawbacks to to everything, but imbalance is an enemy. You know imbalance is just imbalance. But the idea of the skeptic mind. Right. Yes. Prevents me from just being like someone says, like study says, this is like Cupid for their studies. Okay. First study how they conducted. What's the exam like? How did what's the give me the exact like step by step. What's going on here exactly. Yeah. Who paid for that sort of study in Finland. Was it sauna company? Yeah. Right. Allegedly. Not allegedly. That was legitimate doctors. But but yeah. So peer review true science you know. Right. Right. There's a difference. And so yeah also there's other factors like I was a male in my 20s and I was single and working out and working out. And I listened to Joe Rogan, which put me into the demographic of people that would because in my mind, it's like when the propaganda pressure is really on, that's when you really need to, like, know what the fuck you're doing and not just go with the masses on it. It's like if everybody starts going one direction, it's like, that's what I'm like, hold on, hold on. We got to be like, super sure about what we're doing right now because the ramifications might be huge. It's not even just like the masses doing it. It's if the social pressure is really high, then I want to be really sure about what I'm doing because the question is, why is the social pressure so high? You know, like, you guys really want to make me do something. So yeah, y you know, and that made me soar the fuck down and be like, I don't know, I'm not buying this like I'm not. This was fishy, Doug. Yeah. So that's kind of, but I think a lot. But but Bill Burr God is one thing is Burson. He's got to have hot takes as part of his brand is how he makes his money. Yeah. Part of his comedic sort of delivery. And you got and being on one side or the other really strongly helps drive regardless, whatever you believe. Yeah, 100%. That's one thing. When I did Rock the mic back in the day, I was real like trying to be a truthful person. So I'm like, oh, there's like truth to this and the truth of that. Like, which one would actually be better is like difficult to say. I lean this way, but the reality, the situation is it's kind of a crapshoot. One of them's going to do well, one of them's not going to do well. I should have been like Le'Veon Bell is going to destroy David Johnson okay. First of all David Johnson can't catch for shit okay. Obviously their offensive coordinator the guy's a dud. All right. That's what sells on the radio. You know what I'm saying is because you either get the people saying, yeah, that guy's a genius, or you get people saying that guy's an idiot. But either way, you get people talking. Yeah, no, nobody wants to hear a guy who seems indecisive, you know? Yeah. That's kind of lame, though. Oh, it's stupid as fuck. It's stupid as fuck. I feel you, I feel you, yeah. It's crazy. The the the staying power I want, I don't want to put up with a facade like that for that long or. You know what I'm saying? A not even a facade per se, but it seems like a facade or persona, you know what I'm saying? Like being Skip Bayless or being someone who's just, like, trying to constantly put out hot takes or trying to put that energy behind. Oh, God, you're just juggling forever. Yeah. Praying you don't drop the blessing. The. Oh, yeah. And then you end up fucking, you know, looking like an asshole. Looking like a jackass multiple times, you know? And then I'm like, damn, I heard that might not. That might get old pretty quick. You had a brush session under the rug and keep it moving is what they. Yeah, right. Yeah. Gotta keep the paychecks coming in. Gotta keep the viewership here. But that's the thing about the staying power that I think is true. Or like, there's a true staying power to like if if it's a fucking heater, it's a heater dog. If it's like, if you really have some good analytical breakdown of the way that you view the game or the perspectives that you have, and like the the predictions that you're trying to make, like legitimately with accuracy and like more the most in line with true objective reality of the game itself. Like that's, that's that shit being like a real analyst and someone who can really break down what the fuck's going on versus someone who just trying to have hot takes all the time and try and get clicks. It's like, that shit's gonna. You might have a run, you might have a run, might be a couple of years long of a run. But after a while, you may be looking like a jackass for so long. It's like it's gonna change your social perceptions and change where people interact with you and and change how people perceive you. It's in your day to day life when you're the fucking grocery store. Yeah. Or whatever. People trust you as a fucking asshole. Yeah? Yeah, dog. I fucking benched that guy because you said he was gonna suck. He got 40 points, you fucking idiot. Yeah, it cost me my fucking league. To deal with that, you got to be decisive. And sometimes be decisive means you're going to be wrong. Yeah, but if you're what? How did you build what? You made that decision. Was it on, say, end where you're just like, okay, I just got to say something fucking explosive today. I don't know, draw it out of my bag of dicks. I'll see what happens. It was like Dak Prescott will win 2025 MVP. Prove me wrong. You heard it here first. He's got CeeDee lamb. He's out CeeDee lamb. So Micah Parsons on the other side of the ball and everything to prove. And all the doubt in the world. And he was sipping margs in Italy with my boy. Yeah, yeah. Talking about a chip on a guy shoulder. How about being in America's team and looking like a loser? The year of the year? Okay. You know, is America is a country of losers. Was that you think? Well, you are now back to back world war champs. That guy's got a bigger chip on his shoulder than a Frito Lay. Yeah, yeah, than a Frito pie. Yeah. Chip on the shoulder. We could turn a bar out of that, but I'm not interested in bars right now. I'm talking about ideas. Diving the depths. Yeah, so I think. But, to tie the suture all the way back would be to say that the novelty and the authority and the, the hack on people's suggestibility that Covid brought is part of why it was so convincing. Yeah, there's things happening. There's a chemical outbreak, new things happening in life right now across the globe. We're all dealing with this chemical outbreak. Novelty is instilled a brand new pandemic that it's like we are the authorities. We are the people who are conducting this research and who know the substance, who understand it, who understand the cure or like the the precautious measures that need to be taken in order to ensure safety for everyone. And we know that information. So, yeah, listen us and the consequences are death authority. Yeah. Right. There's the fear factor coming into yeah fear, novelty and authority all just like bang. And on some some level of you present that information to anybody. We have to pause and think about it, you know. Yeah. It's at least going to get you to be like, okay, let me go on. Yeah. You have to, unfortunately, some people there might be a small, small, very confrontational portion of people who are like, fuck you. Even from the jump, you know, living in their own, like, acre of land somewhere in Montana or whatever. And backwoods Louisiana. Here we are again, like, okay, motherfucker. Tuskegee point oh. Interrupting my program. I was watching a TV program. Okay, you interrupted. It was those assholes. What the fuck do you all. That you actually know. You're good. Don't worry. You'll be all right. Let him be. Yeah, but for the most 99% of people, we're all going to at least stop and be like, okay, what's like what's going on here? But there's okay, so let's say 1% of people are like, fuck you. 1% of people are like, I'll do whatever you say. 98% of people are left of that 98 where do you like what's the how much percentage of those people are just like too easily, are so easily suggestible that they would be willing to get the vaccine with no research orders to be like go blindly along with no skeptical resistance at all. There's a lot of stuff going on. One thing that they they close down businesses. I mean, that's like they shut down a lot of shit, which is if you're going like there's a rumor going on, that's one thing. But if you're literally at home getting a fucking check from the government, that was the other one too. Okay. So it was. Yeah, it was the fear, the novelty of like a this new things happening, death as a consequence. We know what's going on. We know the measures that need to be taken. And because of that we're going to shut down everything. So then like that was like, okay, this is fucking happening for real. For real isn't just like a news broadcast or a day at the news station, right? It wasn't a breaking news. It wasn't a headline. It was life is different now. We are changing the game. We're changing the structure. Yes. Like, oh shit, the game is changing. So that was an additional added to it, added to everything. It added to the fear. It had to the precaution in and added to the authority. Yes. Yes it did. Made it more convincing. That was big time. Yeah. Yeah. So with that I guess that also probably changed some people's perspective or change some things with this opposition to resistance. I was watching the death numbers personally that that kind of was if 100 people died worldwide, I'd look into what their comorbidities were. I think it was up to like 15,000 when everything shut down. If I'm not mistaken, I watched it go from like 8000 to 10 to 12 to 15 and then everything shut down. And that was kind of what I was using to if it would have gone exponentially kind of crazy, like 8 to 20 to 50 to 100,000, I would have been like, yo, this shit's fucking bad. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that was just my own judgment. I'm sure there was other better ways to figure out how dangerous it was, you know? But let's say like, okay, so yeah, we're trying to build a scale of a proper amount of suggestibility. I would say like one Covid was better. I would say. But I mean, just like gut check wise, I would say probably 60% of people were waiting. Yes. Way too. Yes. Way too much of a yes, 40% skepticism. Yeah, 40% probably had a proper amount of skepticism, even through the fact that then if you look at even the 40% who were properly skeptical, most of those people still wore masks. Yeah, I would say probably I would say probably 20% of people. I would say probably 25% of people truly held out on getting a vaccine. One in every four probably did. But then look at your workplace like where I was working out at the time, people who openly spoke out against the social pressure to get a vaccine. I know, like I'd say probably I'd say two out of 24, but I'll make it three. I'll call it 4 to 24 just to be super safe, because some people were probably more quiet about it. So that's like less than 20%. 4 to 24 is like closer to 16%. So yeah 0163 16. Something like that. Like 1816 or something like that. Yeah. Well need to check it out, something like that. So that, that was like my real tangible what I saw, I could have a misperception of where we were in Texas too, which is a different kind of alignment. Big difference, I was going to say, as well as another big contributing factor. Yeah, here particularly, I think we had the idea of having a lot more of a percentage lean towards the what the fuck is on the Cowboys. Bye. Come and take it, baby, I work. Come and take a mask. You got a cannon on it? Yeah. Come on now you're talking about took it off as often as possible. California, New York, other places. It's just like. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Virtue signaling with their masks. Crazy. Yeah. If you weren't wearing a mask, you were fucking villainized. Well, thank God for Joe Rogan, because otherwise I wouldn't have had, like, a validating signal, bro. Yeah, he was, he was spinning some shit, bro. Yeah. Bringing people in. Really trying get to the bottom of this. He was taking caution, you know, like, as most of us probably should. Or would, you know, just general like, okay, what's what's happening here, especially with the shutdown, say, okay, what the fuck? Why? Yeah, why we shut this down. Exactly. Give me some more. He had a very he was super like, okay, we're going to shut down. Okay, I'll wear a mask. Okay. Like, he was ready to go get the vaccine so that he could keep working with UFC, right? Yeah. Yeah. So he was going that direction. Yeah. And then just like the the who came out and said the masks don't really work. And then the, the vaccines had a lot of vaccine injuries which made him hit pause the let's just get the vaccine. Why not. You know, like they were really just like just get the vaccine as a part of it because I think part of what they were leaning on as well is because I fall into this. I think everybody does this like the fucking scrolling to the bottom of the terms and conditions just to hit accept. Just like so you're telling me I can't get to like, I can't go back to regular life. I can't continue on in this story. Whatever it is, I can't continue with this download if I don't fucking agree to the terms and conditions or I get this update, I can't use my phone if I don't fucking just agree to this. Terms and conditions. Just like yeah, you can't. We want you to treat this like you can't continue on with normal life unless you like, agree to the conditions and the conditions are get this, get this vaccine. That's what they want. And so that's really what they try to really trying to get us there. Yeah. Because yeah most people are like yeah. Like I guess what we're trying to pointing to right here is that Joe had that maybe mindset initially of this like, yeah, like if I had to if I had to get this, you have to get this shot in order to continue regular day to day operations and life and work then like, man, like let's a lot of people probably will like that. It's like, let's just continue on with the terms and conditions to play life and play life. And then like, thank God we weren't like required to get it for our job because I'm sure a lot of people work and that's fucked. It's fucked up fucked. And if you had the option to not get it, but you were going to have social ramifications, that's your workplace. I think you should have not gotten it and taken the social ramifications because that's like positive masculinity in my opinion, is the idea of the the proper rebel is to say no and take ramifications socially for doing the right thing. And the right thing is not being forced to do something due to social pressure that's unnecessary, and enabling fear mongering and propelling a narrative of untrue propaganda. Sorry, I had to get JB for a second, but that that in there that was the danger of what was going on. Those are evil spirits. And it's like, oh, I'll just bow down to the evil spirit and go on with my life. It's like, no, you shouldn't bat under evil spirits at any point in time, because that's tyranny. That's the the forces of evil, a slippery slope that leads to being a slave. It does a mental slave, an ideological slave, a slave to habits and philosophies and ideas that produce, control or produce bullshit or whatever, you know, just doesn't produce ripe fruit of joy. And like in harmony for all, for what Jesus stood for. And then like also just parallel down to like what the, America is founded on is fighting the forces of tyranny for, independence, sovereignty for the pursuit of happiness being the ideals of what we're trying to do here versus just saying yes to get along, to go along. Yeah. Life. Liberty. Pursuit of happiness, baby. That's it. Yeah. Not guarantee success. We get those. Those three things. Yeah, definitely. Yes, bro. I think it's a nice little place to land the plane. Yeah. We're rocking on this beautiful Monday morning episode 90, right as 9089 just came out today. Yeah. Enjoy that. We love you all. If you're interested to know more about me getting punched in the face. Yeah, tune in next week. Yeah. My stitches out. Yeah. Talk more at length at the, the take aways. Yeah. There we go. We'll talk about that. There's food. There's food for thought there. Food for thought. Tune in next week a little teaser. Well Ian thank yes. Food for to come on now. Have a great rest of your day. Whatever you're doing, do it to the best of your ability to. Well that's it. Work session. It's worth it. It's worth it. It doesn't matter. It's just fucking worth it, man. You got to faith in that. I'm asking. You have faith in that. Hard work pays off. We keep on pushing. There's a plan for you. We'll see you on the flip. Yeah. Till then