Squid Games & SHROOMS | Squid Games, Protagonists & Psychedelics | The MJ38 Show #89

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Welcome in, ladies and gentlemen. Episode 89 the MJ 38 show. Bang! And Justin, we're here for your life story. Okay. Let's get it to start. Let's go. Come on. I want us for a move on the move. Hopefully that's going well for you. Life's going beautifully. Hopefully you can see that it is. We're here for you. Like, comment and subscribe. Player, we got this. I forgot that call to action last time. It's alright. That's okay. It's alright. It's there. Yeah. Do whenever, whenever the time is right. For sure. Whenever the time is right. There's no rush in. No hurry. I'd be a guys time. Most of our people listening. Probably subscribed by now. Let's go. Yeah, we appreciate that. Thank you. Each and every one of you. We were talking about Squid Games, Matt. He's finishing it. I finished it probably like a week or so ago. It's been out since it just came out. I think it was the very end of June. Like June 2028, somewhere in that ballpark. Solid. If you never seen it, recommend. It's good. Yeah. Watch that shit. Yeah. It's solid playing hide and seek. Dude, that. It was eerie. I was like, oh, man. I think I had to stab these motherfuckers. Yeah, yeah, this Adam dude. Yeah, there's a twist to that. The Hydra's had to team up because it required multiple keys to go through the next door. Yeah, I was like, I. To get to the exit. Yeah. You couldn't just be a great hider. You got to fuckin find a squad to get politicking. Crazy. Yeah. Crazy show. But, yeah, we want to discuss the final game and the philosophical nature of how it plays out at a more metaphysical level, but I haven't finished yet. But maybe next week. We'll get into that. Yeah, but the topic. Of discussion that was a hand was games that we played as kids that you would go and dominate as an adult. Yeah. Like it gives you that feeling watching that show and like, oh man, it'd be crushing. Oh yeah. I'd be crushing. Yeah, yeah. Well, they're doing some super basic shit in that one. Hide and seek and, like, jump rope. I missed the jump rope game. But what happens? He just runs across the platform with the baby. You missed it. Or like, I was like, watch it. But I wasn't watching it. Yeah, it wasn't like. It was like the crazy twist within that portion of spoilers, like spoilers. But it's, He. Yeah, he has the baby. And, he's going across and he makes it across like, relatively without too much craziness is like the the bridge is like split in the middle state to jump across while you're jumping over the rhythm of the jump rope. So like, that's like the big hurdle. And then he gets over the cross, gets across to the other side. And then the, the second person who gets across. The platform like skinny. Yeah. Yeah. It was about like a foot wide maybe. Don't fall. Yeah. It's like a foot wide. And it's just like a jump rope. And then it's like a train or like a foot wide track that goes. And then it's a drop off point, and then the other half of the track goes to the other side, and then the jump ropes going the whole time. Okay. But that's pretty much it isn't too, too crazy. Yeah. But but then the second person who makes it across like, turns around and starts, like pushing people off as I get to the end. So they're like, just like, stuck there jumping the whole time. But for, for a while. And then, that does like the, the big. How are you doing in that scenario. If who. The guy who's next to jump and there's a dude just fucking pushing people off. If I've already made it across or if I'm like, waiting. For it, if I'm, like about to go into his territory. Yeah, exactly. Oh, man, that's a rough one. Because if you can, you just mate. Either way, you're gonna die if you don't move forward. So you can just, like, stay there and continue to jump the whole because. People are pushing you from the back or what. Not yet, but it would get to that point. Yeah, for sure. If people would be falling off and and yeah, it's. Not looking good. Totally. You just gotta go and juke his ass, bro. You go. I'm fuckin. Jump. Kick the guy in the fucking face and then grab the platform. Oh, athlete. You got to get there. Because what? What is the jump rope? Like? What if it hits me? Am I definitely going to fall? I was like, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Can I go under it? Like if I know okay. Oh yeah. You got to kick him off and get up boy. Yeah, you just gotta jump. And then as soon as you land, just make your move. I'm like da into action. Dog fight. Jumping, fuckin trying not to. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Better hope, even. Though I might just deliberate with them, I'll be like, if you try to push me off. You're coming with me, motherfucker. Yeah. So it's in your best interest to just let me go? Yeah. You're right. I'll help you push us up. People want us. Nah. Fuck that. I think that's what the game is. A little fucking crazy. Yeah, those are the type of people who go. Into the games initially. The ones who would even entertain the idea of playing this fucking dark gym or whatever it is where you throw the square on the square and if you flip it, you win. And if you don't flip it, then you get slapped. Yeah, yeah. So the type of people who would engage in that. Activity, other people who you're playing with. So it's not people who are just like levelheaded thinking like logical people just trying to fucking win all this money. Yes. I say, what's the risk reward? If it's like $1,000, if I win or I get slapped, if I lose, I'd play. I play. Like. Because the ramifications aren't death. Yeah. I wonder how much it is. Because we translate it. It's, That. What are they giving out? One. Right? Yeah. It's like the grand prize is 44 billion won. I think that translates to I could be off. It was like 3.0. There's like almost $4 million just under for me. Not that. Much to play that game, to play the Squid. Games, which is based on. Yeah. The premise of playing these like red light, green light, hide and seek, playing jump rope, these other games that I guess are more prevalent and prominent in Korean Eastern culture for childhood people. But either way, they're just like childhood games. And, if you have never seen it, explain these childhood games. We're talking about what games? Because when you watch it, you would like think about games that we would almost be like eager to play. I was like, I like playing those games. But then, yeah, the consequences are a little dire. Yeah, literally. Yeah. Like I would dominate the monkey bars, but like, imagine. If Red Rover Dog Red Rover coming through I'm coming through will break and shoulders dog I'm or. I'm taking out someone's esophagus. Yeah I'm channeling Marshawn Lynch and I probably that's a good move. I would run at the arms at the last second, stick it and hit someone in the diaphragm. Dog like I trying to knock you the fuck out. You're letting go. Yeah. Oh yeah. You're late. I think you're holding on if you can't breathe. Well, the just being. Who loves, who is waiting for the game. It's like the scenes in Game of Thrones with the battles are just, like, on foot. Yeah. And you're just, like, watching the collision. It's like, Holy shit. Anybody in the frontlines of those wars makes it. You got to be one of the people. It's no no, no no, no dog whistles. What's the likelihood you make it at like 1%? 2%? Ragnar does it a lot. But in that in the show Vikings Hill wait for the lines to clash and then he'll run through the line into the backfield. And then he starts fucking people up in the backfield. And it kind of creates a circle and then keeps people try to take them one at a time. But that's like inspired one of my bars where it's like I run through them like Ragnar. It's because like so many battles, he just runs to the through people and then gets in their backfield and. Then lives. Through all these battles, like, and apparently that show is based on historical truth. Allegedly. They really were in that bitch. And the only takeaway is that they were so athletic that they could survive multiple battles at a time. Not everybody could do that, but some Vikings could do that, and then they would rise to power more times than not. Generals, leaders of the army because it's seen more. And they're from like Switzerland or were they from Sweden. Sweden. Yeah I think so. Somewhere in that area Nova Scotia. Yeah. Yeah I have no idea. It's a country for sure. Norway okay. Yeah Norway is the answer. Nice. And then they go from Norway to England and like traverse that land because the, the land in Norway in the middle of Norway isn't like farmable but. And maybe on the north side they could. And then on the south side there was rivers and stuff like that that could sustain them. But that was one of the issues is they couldn't really farm the land, and that's why they ended up going to England. Well, partially too, because they raided. So their culture was to go raid other countries, along the edges of Norway, the coast. Yeah. And take all their shit and bring it back. But then they would use all that resource, they'd have to go get more. And then eventually, this real life Viking Ragnar told them we should go into the ocean and try to find other land, because there's got to be more than what we have right here. People were like, no, there's not. You're going to take all of our best warriors and you're going to kill them and all this. But then he gets a real guy, Floki, to build a boat, and then once he has a big enough boat, they actually go into the ocean. He does go into the ocean, and then he does find other countries. And that's why he's a historical figure. It's because he got the Vikings out of Norway and into the rest of the world. Crazy, bro. Crazy. That's tight. So cool bro. Tastes like one of the coolest motherfuckers in history. Well, one of the tightest protagonists. You think? Oh, yeah. What are your favorite protagonists in fiction? Definitely. Like real life people. I just think it's a dope ass. He's like. Like Hamilton and Ragnar are pretty, pretty up there. As far as cool as people, you know, Thomas Jefferson and Ragnar is, like, comparable, you know? Okay, we just don't celebrate him as much. But the people in Norway, like, I think if you're I think the Viking religion is kind of dead, but they still Revere him as a historical figure. Ragnar Lothbrok. Yeah. A real person who did that shit. But as a fictional character? Fuck yeah. He's like Godin in my mind. So cool. Portrayed so well. The actor did a great job making a bunch of tough decisions and has to be like, smart, kind of like moves and talks all like cool. Kind of like how a Heath ledger does the Joker and you're just like, fuck, this is good. Same thing, same thing on the original artwork. Okay. Nerding out over. Here. Yeah. Never seen. I've seen some of it actually. I've seen probably like two seasons. I would say 2 or 3 seasons ish. I sure it's great for Vikings. I rewatched them maybe like two years. Ago to watch it. Yeah. And you know watch it all. Super cool to jump super good. The beginning like I would say season one. It takes a little but cool stuff happens. But as far as Ragnar being like a legendary motherfucker where you, like fall in love with the character, but like season two and three, you're just like, this is my fucking guy. He's so. Cool. It's like dark. But yeah, there are some other fictional characters that really do it for you. I like. Yeah, I love Walter White to a degree. I saw the show so much. So yeah. Yeah, the character transformation is crazy. I guess Better Call Saul as well. Saul Goodman and can. I watch a movie with Ben Odenkirk in it called The Nobody? Okay. They kind of made John Wick with him, but the movie was he's just this like that regular, normal guy goes to work, forgets to take out the trash. Dad whatever her dad life. And then eventually somebody breaks into his house. Oh, no. And like, you see him, like, almost snap. And then his kid, like, tackles one of the intruders. And then he's got a golf club and his. Kid is old. Like 14. Okay. And his kids got him, like, in a headlock. And he could, like, use this golf club and smash this guy over the head and. Or fucking clap dog. And he just does this kid, like, let him go. Let him go. Let these people let him get out. How many. Two people. Okay, so, like, the kid tackles one and then the other person's back is turned and he's like, could handle the situation. Chooses I order. And everyone's, like, giving him shit. And his brother in law gives him a gun. He's like, look, pussy, you need this, bro. And then we keep saying that were my family. Ho ho ho ho ho ho. You let. Him off. Easy, man. And like, just calling him a bitch, more or less. But then you said unfolds. And it turns out that this guy is actually, like, Tom cruise s character who used to be an assassin, and he, like, is trying not to get back into that life. And that's a feed that will. But then he decides to let the wolf out of the cage. People want to hear the lion roar, baby. Oh yeah, oh yeah. And then he turns into John Wick. More or less. Nice gung. Fu on these pussies. Of bro that. Kills a million Russians. Okay, that's, you know, okay, it goes all. The way in. It's pretty good, cuz. Okay. Yeah. What's it called? That. Nobody. Okay. It's at the very end with Better Call Saul. Bob Odenkirk. Yeah. The very end. He's like smoking a cigaret in these police. He's like a main character. Yeah, he is the protagonist. Oh, shit. Cool. Yeah, he's he's going through with that. He's done like. And then. Oh, wait. Yeah, the Virgin Better Call Saul gung ho and motherfucker. There's one scene like when he finally, That's hilarious. It's like a recent movie. I think about, like, two years ago. Okay. There's the scene where he snaps. He's like, on a bus, and he's just sitting there and he's like, I'm gonna let this fucking wolf out, dude. I'm going to fucking do it. And then he's fucking drunk. Assholes. They look drunk and they look like assholes are about to get on the bus. He's on. And then he's like, please open that fucking door. Please open that fucking door. And it's kind of like a metaphor for himself to ring. My bell of a fucking. And then they get on. The bus and they go to the back and there's this, like, cute young girl back there, and they start, like, fucking with. Her. Oh, I like you. Give me that purse. And then he just, like, stands up and then he's got a gun. Jesus. Off the bus. Because he. Like, I guess what happened was this. He went to go confront. He found out who tried to rob his house, and he goes to confront them. But then he finds out they have a baby and they're scared and the baby's sick. And he ends up just like leaving and letting them live. But then he's on the bus back home, and then he sees like, asshole assholes. And I guess there was like a distinction between the people that tried to rob him where like, desperate and scared and confused, and he kind of identifies that, like, that's why I let them live. It's because they weren't killers. They were like, just broke motherfuckers trying to get a lick more or less. And he had like, pity for them. But then the assholes get on the bus and start fucking with the girl, and he's just like. And he stands up, put the gun, and then he opens the revolver and drops all the bullets out. And just fucking people love dude. It's a good scene, people. How many views? Like six of them. Dude. Jesus, you just go six on one. And you're like, oh, okay, he's John. Wick. Yeah. Like, not. Only does he get into a fist fight, but he's like wrapping the seatbelt around people's fucking necks, getting people in fucking like, triangle holes, bro. Yeah, yeah, he goes off. It's badass. It's all about Odenkirk. Oh my gosh, it's better call Saul just out here whooping ass bro. I got to see I got to see this on Amazon Prime. So funny. You go watch it. That's cool. I love that actor dude. He's good. He's got in it. Yeah okay. But just wait. So as much as I like my. Favorite protagonists. I love Better Call Saul. Yeah, but he doesn't do it for me like Ragnar does it for me in the sense where it's like, I want to fucking be that guy. Okay, yeah, I see Odenkirk. It's a it's a great movie, but sometimes I even want to be more like him then Saul, you know, can't. Kim's Kim is. Kim is where it's at in that show for sure. She's. Yeah, she's the protagonist. Protagonist Jon Jon Snow. Yeah, that's the fucking good. Yeah. He basilisk. That's the boy he sees out there for me. Speaking of fictional characters of all time. Dog, John Wick makes a. Lot John Wick. Yeah, okay, I. Haven't seen enough of the movies near, I guess. And he has a movie. It's a show. Movie protagonists. Fictional. Yeah, it's the matrix. Yeah, yeah, it's same character, but. I guess he has a movie as well. Yeah. John Wick. He doesn't talk a lot. He's just, on a revenge tour and, Wick. Yeah. And he just doesn't let anything stop him. Like sometimes he gets like fucking obliterated and he just keeps getting up and fucking people up. Drives a dope car. It's not. It's not quite like John Snow you see like a lot of character you know. But John Wick just like represents the undeniable like you can't stop me. I'm getting a fucking hard. I'm going to go off going deep. I'm going long. You can't stop me. Yeah, just the monster. Yeah. That's the monster. I guess either from more to shows, because I know we talked about Vikings. We're getting off. We're gonna play our topic. We're talking about, Squid Games, childhood games that we would play in the squid Games that you'd want to play. You can go back there. Is just real quick, before we go, we'll talk about more protagonists. Dodgeball. Oh, dude. Life or death for fun. At least for throwing for some people. Or grenades. Or just a simple regular dodgeball. And if you're. I'll just get fucking blasted. Hahahahaha. That's a dag bitch. Yo, is that a strategy that goes to the games? Because in like. Or it could be like a round or like, you know, so you because you can bring people back to life if you catch the ball, you know. So you gotta wait till the round's over and the whole team is blessed. Please get your ball. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. Oh, shit. Dodgeball. We won. What? What else would you play as kids? Freestyle. We played. I think we played like anchovies. I think it's what it's called as a as of some people refer to it as. I forget what we called it. I don't know. Got the ghost in the graveyards a different game, but there's a game called like, I think it's referred to as sardines, but it's where it's like reverse hide and seek. It's like there's one person who's hiding, and then everyone's looking for that one person. And then if you find him, then you, like, chill with them and like the person to like the to last find him. He's like the the loser, I guess, or whatever. Wow. Yeah. So like, reverse hide and seek. Keeps getting creative out. Here. Yeah. Right. And then we play ghost in the graveyard. That was a game we played like in high school. We played outside like in the neighborhood. And someone would go, that'd be, I don't know, more is better, but I guess I was thinking we were playing high school, too. That was really fun. More is better. Yeah. And it's assassin, I think. Assassin. It was. Cool. Yeah, right. That one's like the, now when you're playing in the house. But we're in the neighborhood playing ghost in the graveyard. There's like one person who's the ghost, I guess. And I have to go out. It's more or less. It's like hide and seek, kind of. But then, like, once you find the person, you have to die. Or if you don't find them in time, they can, like, get up and go. But either way, they're trying to get you before you get back to the base type shit. And there's another one where it's like the, it's called assassin, I think is what we refer to it as, but someone's like, you get like a some cards. One card is designated to be the assassin person. Everyone draws cards, someone's the assassin. If you have a lot of people like over ten, equal to 2 or 3 assassins. And then everyone was like, walk around the house. Like, once you establish who's the assassins and, you would go, I guess if you would, if there was, if there was multiple, you would all be like, okay, it's like establish yourself as a circle, as a community, or like the village. It's like, okay, all the assassins like, look up and make eye contact. Okay? Now we're going to go like, go live out day one or whatever. And then after, like if you are one of the assassins, you can kill somebody else, like so. And then like, I was like touching the throat and they, like, lay down and like, this time you turn out all the lights in the house. It's just dark everywhere. And then like, if you kill somebody. And you find if you find a dead body or someone who's dead, so, like, confirms the dead or whatever. Are you dead? Yeah. It's like, yeah, I'm dead. Dogs. It's like, okay, murder. No, I think we called it murder. We called it. And then you would all deliberate, get back in the kitchen and deliberate. It's like, all right. Where are you? Who are you? Like, yeah, who are you with? It's like, I didn't kill him, bro. I was like, this is the original among us? Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, I was like that pretty much. Yeah. It's like dead on, right? Yeah. That's it. That's crazy. Among us in the house, it don't kill a murder. That's fun. That game was fun. Yeah, well, you. It's so funny. Hell of a tiny bit of a national sensation. One of the most popularly streamed games. Yeah. That's cool. That's what we call it. Yeah. I had to walk myself back through. It was like. How do we do that? What was that game? I was in the kitchen. I was with Bob. Yeah, yeah. I was like, I didn't do it, bro. No, I had to be him then. Yeah, yeah. Vote somebody. And then it's like, oh, we gotta kill this person. We vote you to die. It's like, are you the person? It's like, no, it's like, oh shit. I still live another day. It's fucked up. And then either the yeah, either the townspeople win or. The the murderers win. Murderers win if they kill everybody or the townspeople. When if they catch. Catch who? Catch all of them. It's like regular. Life. Get them all voted out, you know, exiled. But that's not like a childhood game. Like the squid Games. Kind of. That's a little more developed. Tetherball. Life or death? Tetherball. Oh, comes on your matchup? Yeah. Tetherball was weird. I'm not. Like, great at tetherball, but I can. I think anybody. Is. Yeah. There's always one kid at church camp that would be fuckin like. Like I serve. Yeah. The four square, bro. Oh. Oh, that's a good one. Kickball for square. Yeah. Oh, that's a. Senior in high school. I was like, after I made it out of football, you could, like, have a free period during athletics and kind of do whatever you want. Hell, yeah. Senioritis may be. Totally. And then, But then I would play basketball. But then after basketball season was over, during tennis season, I would just play Foursquare with the kids. That shit was so fun, bro. Some of the best parts of my day were running Foursquare with the kids. Let's go. It was. There's a skill. I mean, like, fucking get sliced. That bitch. You could hit the wall. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The misdirect. Yeah. The misdirect. Of course the power bombs slam that into the ground. Send someone running for, Yeah, sure. It was fun, bro. Yeah. So foursquare. That's a good one. Maybe that'll be cut, though. It's like one time you're out, you die. Go. Had to be a double double in tournament or something. Something I thought was funny in Squid Game. Don't give a shit. The guy that was the political leader of the vote No Game which won. And Squid Games. Yeah. Yeah. Those like don't care guy. Oh on the well I'm sorry in the vote. Yes. Let's continue to play okay. The political leader of that side. Yeah he made it super far. He did like to the end. Yeah. And he was such a fuck but such a piece of shit. He also wasn't, like, athletic or like, overly fit compared to, like, other people. He was just like a political leader. We should do this. Let's vote democratically on it or vote democratically on how we're going to kill this person. Like so far I did. That was a statement on something, you know. And that's how it went. Everybody listen to him. Another thing, he's had a perceived authority just with age and perceived wisdom or maybe just personality type to be more of a majority expressive charisma. Some people just want to be, like, given a game, you know what I'm saying? Or giving structure to reality to to exist. That's the opposite of this. This is good. I think we should do that a lot. Some people just like having someone doing that. Yes. Yeah. To have them do that for them. So they could just be like, okay, yeah. Let's like go minimum effort required to, you know, to to traverse things, you know, have to make sense of everything. So I was playing this game. It's hard for me to make sense of this. So so not my personality. Yeah. But I think everybody wants to be like 4 or 5 six. But in my mind, that's legitimately my personality. I'm like, that doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense. Stop, stop. Shut the fuck up. Okay, that doesn't make sense. You're just saying play like that. The same people aren't like that at all. Because it's crazy. I can understand what you're saying, but another part of my brain is like. Really? Yeah. In a sense, yes, I think okay. So I think there's two things going on there. I think it's people are like that naturally, just their personality traits and being less vocal, more vocal, more confrontational, less confrontational, like just baseline. But then I think there's once you get there's a certain also availability or ability to like discern the truth and be able to spit the truth. You know what I'm saying? So that's like a whole nother thing. And they need to be able to develop to develop that portion. So then if you're if you're even, it's like your personality is more lenient towards not doing that. It's like you need to have the ability to format the truth and then sort of use that as like your, your ground to stand on, to even say, okay, I normally won't be, I normally like just let it go, but I've it's not, it's not right. If it's like, yeah, it was anti if it's anti truth or anti against like what the objective reality is pointing towards like grossly then you have to say something and that's like a I think another skill to develop I guess. Yeah there's two skills. There is like the ability to formulate what the truth is and then like to express it. And some people are like expressive without having truth. And some people have the truth but aren't willing to be expressive. So it's like you need to develop both of those things. You know. Like my friend Julian, he starts looking at calendar. He definitely can, identify the truth as well as anybody. But as far as, like, expressing it, he just doesn't care to do that. It's not to a fault. Sometimes it's better not to. Yeah. Sometimes. Yeah. Just let it be. It's just not like a. Let it be. The Beatles. Come on Thomas timeless. Let it go. Let it go. Frozen time. What time? It's like going to try to hit that note. I don't even know how it goes, but, But yeah, I think about that a lot because, well, I just know that's what's going on. Because me and Julian, I'll share. Look, sometimes it's like with Jim each other, it's like I can't help it where I'm just like, did I just hear that Julian is looking at me like we just heard that. Yeah, well, you. But Julian, like I say anything, but, like, it's not like to a fault at all. It's just like he's not someone who's going to get out there and try to be the guy we should be doing. No, no, no. He's just like, not going to do that, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But he will align himself with the truth. Yeah. If we're going to split into two teams. I like people who are denying the right thing. People are doing the right thing. Yeah, people are different. So he he helps me understand. The people are different for sure in that sense, because I definitely feel the urge to be vocal about what, discerning, you know, like, that's not right, bro. That's fucked up. That's not what we talked about. That's different than what we said last week. Shit like that. Yeah, yeah, I think that's part of, because we went to the equip thing, Sunday after after the service and there's like a it's, it's for step two. It was like a personality test to a degree, a little bit. And there were, some questions, like a questionnaire that we filled out. And then there was like two, like five voices, voices like personality types, kind of, I guess, to a degree. And then we kind of like, rated ourself on those five voices. And then like found our most dominant two or the highest point total for each, each one. And then we had like a separate assessment that was for your gifts, I guess to a to two degree. So I was like, your voice type or like your personality type, and then kind of like how you behave in like a, I guess, maybe an area where in which you would be a good fit as far as like services they have available in like types of gifts. So you can do or like talents. But in the, in the voices when there was like five different ones. And then they also varied in level of or I guess there was a couple of differentiating factors that they kind of distinguishing between each other. One of them was like vocalization like level, and it's like from one which was like caretaker. Nurturer is like the least vocal of like the five, you know, saying someone was like very like reserved or more of a like, like a welcoming person or someone who's like, very hospitable and very like calming and nurturing. It's like nurture. Creative guardian begin the fourth one. And then pioneer. I forget the fourth one, by the way, I think. Yeah. Because like, I think the fifth one was, pioneer. That's more of a individual, kind of like a leadership. So almost type of role or type of, like personality, like disposition. And yeah, I think like he's got some of that, you know what I'm saying. That's like the most vocal of the, of the bunch. I can see that. My brain is like people are different though. Yeah. I think everybody would. Maybe people are honest with themselves. I think most people would want to be like a pioneer if I were just like, which one of these things do you feel like you are? You know, like some people? Well, that's also like, can you be a caretaker and be vocal, like, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah I'm sure. Yeah. Everyone everyone exhibits all five at some point. But you have like a baseline like I guess maybe like a predisposition to one. Yeah, sure. Five. Did you think that the five things were like the five personality traits or were they like a little bit different? Kind of. I guess if I'm trying to think we can try to draw the parallels. If I were for my book, like probably looking at it like. Openness, agreeableness. The openness is probably the creative one. Being agreeable is probably the caretaker, but introvert, extrovert. I think that the that the fourth one thing that's connector maybe connector. And then whereas conscientiousness is probably the pioneer, maybe and most guardian and what's the fifth. Openness conscientiousness on this. Conscientiousness. Openness. Extroversion. Neuroticism. Neuroticism I don't know if that fits for that one. Exactly. No, but those were the five categories you could get put in. Yeah. Were category or caretaker, Guardian, pioneer. Creative and connector. That's cool. Yeah. Sometimes, people are like distributed. You know people have differentiate going on. Yeah. But yeah. So I guess that that was all put all all that was words pointing towards the idea of like, how did this character make it so far being such a piece of shit? It's like maybe they're trying to say something creatively with that. But he was a more of a yeah, more of a political type, more of a, yeah, the vocal person and some people. Yeah. Because I was, I was just saying in response to that, some people are that person. I want to be that person or to have their personality types of like try to be more expressive or want to take control or take lead on some shit. And some people are less just like this, less like that, you know what I'm saying? But his character was like super backstab, kind of low, scummy little trashy little asshole, a little do anything to survive. So doing. Us calling. Me. Yeah. Speaking of being vocal. Here's a. Person. You live here? Yeah, it's. It's weird, but, yeah. Squid games, this is. This is time. Shit going on. Foursquare. Some kickball, playing checkers when you play checkers for grandma. That was. Well, when I was a kid. Yeah, right. That's elementary school. That's a simple enough game for elementary school kids, for sure. Yeah. That's always the thing between checkers and chess. It's a big. Jump. It's a big jump. Oh, yeah. It's a big jump. Should be an intermediate game. Yeah. What are we talking about? Just Montecarlo some shit and I call them out hard. Okay, I sure was. I was fucking with my call. Yeah. Oslo. Oh. Fucking Stratego. Candy bar. Oh, that. That was the game with the white and black pieces. I think it was similar to checkers, but Stratego. Dude, that shit was guess. Okay. Stratego was like you had two lines of, like, fuckin. So you had pieces on a board, and the pieces were like, once, like you had like seven ones. Like five twos. Four threes. Maybe I'm getting the numbers wrong, but you have like, six, seven, eight ties and a couple like 110, that couple nines and a couple eights. And then you would line them up and then you'd like progress your pieces on the board. And then you would have to like, fight the piece in front of you. And then whoever's number was bigger would win that fight. But you could organize your pieces however you'd want. So like if you put all your tens up front or you put your 110 up front, then like maybe you're going to plow through the ones, but then also maybe like, I don't know, because you would think a ten would just wreck everything, just kill everybody. Yeah, it's something like that. That game was fun, though. Oh, fuck. I love you guys again. Strategic switch. Stratego. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So good. Elementary school games in a bit, but. Yeah. So. So had I had to bring that back. Now let's bring it back to think that we lost before we brought that other thing back. And that was favorite protagonists. Ragnar from Vikings from a boy I love me some John Snow. That's the dog. That's the fucking dog. Walter White doesn't make your Hall of Fame for character, for protagonist. I just love the show. I guess as far as, like a character that I want to embody and like, I think is a fucking, like a a superhero or like a fucking guy to to be like he's nothing about a guy, to be like. He's definitely not. Supposed to be like the model of emulation. He's Walter White, he breaks bad, bro. He's the fucking that's that's what happens. That's what happens when you lose yourself. Oh same thing with I haven't seen snowfall but the main character of that show experiences a similar story arc and transformation that's like this is like crazy. Here's another crazy show like ending and character arc. Protagonist Frank. Let's say it's a good name. It's cool. Cool name. I'm into that. Maybe sometimes. Jim. Oh, Jim Halpert boy. Jimbo. Also great about Jim. He was he was outside the bit, you know what I'm saying? Are like. Outside the bill. What what what what am I trying to say? What? I say that it's like a detached. And I. Was aware. Yeah. To know that the show was going on was irrational, aware and detached. Yeah, yeah, he was in a way or detached character. Yeah. So he could just. Be like, who knew that other people. Were not aware and attached? This fucking guy was. And he was. He was aware and attached, detached enough to deal with Michael. Like seemingly without getting frustrated or without. I guess he would get frustrated sometimes, but like. Understandably so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jim was one of the goats. And strategically we each have a flag, okay. And there's also bombs. So if you just like we're going for the flag with your ten, you could like hit a bigger bomb. 1010 bombed. Yeah. But then there were also bomb. There were scouts that could like, see and defuze a bomb. So there was like, strategy involved in, like, how you move across the board and try to get the other person's flag. Yeah. Yeah, sure. It was cool. So that's how that shit works. Okay. Nice. Clear that off my cue. Okay. Jim was big. I mean, the office was amazing. If you ever seen the officer turban. It's a great show. So good. Such a good show. Oh, if we're talking about great protagonists. Yeah, not The Office, but Parks and Rec. Leslie. No, no, no, no. Ron Swanson, Ron Swanson. People love Ron Swanson. Great character. Leslie Knope was okay. She's kind of a I don't know who aspires to be like that. Okay. Yeah, probably some politicians. Okay. Yeah. She was more politically driven. She was just driven in general. Yeah. She's happy. Didn't anything bring her down? Going on positive energy fight for the little guy. Some people probably like that. Do you think? Yeah. Good character. Somebody. But Ron Swanson is a fucking man. Okay. I said all the bacon that you have. So I know what you probably heard is I'd like some bacon. Bobby. No. Justin, is Tiger Woods. Just gives everybody a crisp $20 bill. Just handed him out for no reason. Here you go. Go buy yourself some nice. Anytime. Ron dresses like Tiger Woods. He just got laid. Yep. This goes. Back to the beginning. Of money. The people. That's a great show, too. Yeah, it was good. It's good man. What are some other super solid shows people talk about? What about The Sopranos? Tony Soprano is here. See a main character I mean main character. Protagonist. Hall of Fame Joe Rogan says people wanted to be like him when? When it was al, like, this person is not afraid of anybody who was the boss and tells people what to do. And when things don't go their way, he'll go fucking rough them up, you know? Okay, so fuckin. The idea is pretty cool. Yeah. I don't want to be like that. I mean. He is boneheaded, like having having an actor out and embody that. So, yeah, the results ain't gonna be pretty cool. Yeah. No, I get it terribly for you. Why does it. Yeah. Like, Some Matthew McConaughey movies. Somebody want to be like, I don't know, try to think of other shows that are great, great shows. The bangers. Yeah, yeah. Breaking bad, come on. What's in that category? Some of the shit in that category. Some of the shit in that box. On that one show. Peaky Blinders, Tommy Shelby. Oh, yeah, Tommy Shelby. That's Gold Derby. Yes. It's gold. Gonna be like Tommy. Shelby talks fucking awesome. That's fucking Timothy. Yeah. He hems it up. That's definitely Hall of Fame half way protagonist. Big him energy. That's it. No no no. My Mount Rushmore people is like real life people like Michael Jordan Jordan Peterson. Probably Big Sean, but it might. It might should be Kanye West. Be careful with that nowadays. It's just fuckin. Ghost. Town. He made some music sounding. Listen to that song. Somebody don't want to fuckin. Jesus walks, dude. Jesus walks. God is. I mean, blood on the leaves. I mean, we can go album for album. Thing, you. Know, skinheads. I mean. There you go. For years to surreal. He's made some great songs. I mean, go sound just like that goes on a Jesus Walks are fucking different. I don't care who you are. Those ones are fucking different. Like the idea of ghost Town is like, what's the what's of words? I've been trying to love you, but everything I do just pushes you further away from me. I don't know who he's talking to, but it feels like. It's like life. It's like the more I try to do what I want to do or what I think is right, or like where my love takes me the further away it gets from me. But someday we'll all be free. It's like, that's transcendent, bro. I mean, everybody can relate to that. On like a I want to cry level. You know. The deep connection level. You go on a run and listen to ghost Town tell me, don't feel something. I'll tell you. You're a sociopath. Yeah, you you are a psychopath. Yeah. You're a crazy person. That's what it does. Something to the spirit. That sounds great. Oh, my gosh, it's so good. He's like your Rushmore. Oh, it's. Oh, dude. You feel like life. Rushmore. He's just. This is like Tony Soprano. Okay? You know. It's like, I can't agree with everything he does. Yeah, I can't no, but damn it, that guy did some shit. You know. Like, I had some moments, but probably. Now, that said, Jordan Peterson hasn't done anything questionable like that about Peterson. That fucking guy. Yeah. Him and Michael Jordan definitely go on there, Michael Jordan did some questionable shit, but it's just like nobody took it as far as nobody's as talented. That's the problem. Nobody can take it that far. But I think on some level he fought Las Vegas, he fought ownership, he fought the idea of a corrupt league with pure talent and pursuing the ideal of winning over everything. True competition was winning. He had an ideal two buckets. He held that ideal so close to his heart, and then he lived his life in such a manner that everything else was willing to be sacrificed for it. It's commendable. I mean, God damn, you know, good job anybody's doing that. I think one of my favorite movies of all time would be Moneyball or like, my favorite shit now. Okay. Let's go. If I could put that guy I like, I think Brad Pitt might be my favorite actor. Once I've digested that movie again. Oh, he's so fucking good. And it's not about baseball. I was so I was on someone at work. Moneyball was fucking amazing. They were like, I don't know what the baseball movie. I really like baseball. Like, that movie's not about baseball. It's like the setting is baseball. Yes, but that's not what the movie's about. Not at all. It's about what? It's hard to say what it's about, but it's about a man who's in a system that's broken, and he finds a new ideal that would create a better system, and then he commits himself 100%, fully puts it all on the line to pursue that ideal. And not only that, but to to win because he has to. That's a win lose scenario. And there's baseball game. So it's not just like he can believe in and keep going on in his life. He's got to like compete at that. Yeah. And then and then someone who does cross the threshold into greatness based on the idea that they committed themselves to now that he's also a man. So it's like a life story, too. It's like, is he going across the threshold of having a quote unquote good life. That's kind of his. Job. Yeah. And make it worth something, too, because it's not just, not just enough to be a loser. That's part of the thing is, he wants to win with the team he has, but he has to take the new ideal that he's found and then push it. And and there's a lot of conflict. Like, the coach doesn't like it. The other way of thinking, a new way of doing things. Right? Right. That the managers hate him. He's got to fire one of the managers. He's got to get the coach to get on board. He ends up like trading away star players because the coach wouldn't put Hatteberg on first. So he's like trades away a superstar in pain. Yeah it's a it's a good fucking movie man. That movie so good. It was. Great. It's phenomenal. Brad Pitt might be my favorite actor. He's in he's in some good fucking movies. Oh my gosh. He's he's he's a great movies. Oh Ocean's Ocean's franchise. Fight club, fight club Moneyball. And I could almost up there. Mr. Messersmith wasn't that great. I'm just thinking about Brad Pitt now. What's possible? Las Vegas. Hollywood. There you go. Yes. That people like that movie a lot. So one of my favorite movies, it's just a slow burn as fuck for me. Is there another just fucking great movie from Brad Pitt? I'm sure if we looked up, is scar his, his line of work, we would see a couple he was in, Troy. Is that movie right? Prep it. Pretty sure I don't even think I've seen a movie, but I know he was in it. When Matt Damon puts a. Matt Damon, puts up numbers. Good Will hunting. Yeah, hard to argue with that movie. Now talking about protagonists of movies, movie protagonists. We can we can stop talking about this stuff. He wasn't Troy. He's Achilles in that movie. Achilles is fucking heel, bro. What was. He. Fury? It was a great movie. It was awesome. Any other big blockbusters aside from what we mentioned? Jason snatch. It's a great movie. Oh. He's in, that movie with the box, right? That was called seven. Yeah. I don't think I've seen that movie. Never seen it either. I don't know, maybe what. It's I've heard is good. What's in the box? I know it's a it's a it's. It's a fucking. Monumental. Inglorious bastards. Okay. Yeah. He's in the movie too. Bullet train was great. Burn After Reading. Is in the big. Sure. That's kind of it, though. You would think you'd have more. More bangers? Yeah. Moneyball. Just fucking ten for me. So really put some high on the chart. He's living life for you. Let's go. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Matt Damon's really good, too. You make a great case for Matt Damon. That Damon is fucking up there. But anyways. Okay. I don't care what we talked about. Yeah, this. Could have blown Brad Pitt for a second. The whole rocking dog. We're fucking chillin, man. But yeah, Squid Game just a fucking. I need to watch Vikings for sure. We're kind of watching The Chosen right now. We're kind of lost as far as I want to. I want to slow play the chosen because I'm this, I'm not sure how many seasons they plan to do, but this is the season where Jesus was crucified. So, like, this season is going to end. And then I'm not sure how much more they're going to be going. Think he wants to do a. Movie about. The crucifixion? Oh, so the show isn't going to show it? I don't think so. Oh, son of a snitch. I could be. Wrong. Okay. I think it's going to stop short. And then they want to do a movie. Where the season five right now, I'm not sure how many more seasons or movies or how much longer it's got, but I want to still play it because, yeah, I'm that's like, well, that's what we're going to be. Show this for a little bit. I have a question for you. Yeah. Jesus. And the chosen says, I think it's in the Bible. Okay. That it would be better for the person who is going to turn Jesus over to the Pharisees and the Romans. It'd be better for him not to have been born. He does say this. Okay, great. This is the presupposition for my question. So if that was out the window, I was kind of lost. So okay. I'm not sure if it says in the Bible. I'm pretty sure he says that in the Bible, but I notice it says it in the show. I'm like 80% sure it's in the Bible as well. Me too. Okay. Like right there with you. All right. So. Is Judas just like a piece of shit? It's part of the question. It's not the question is part of the question. Okay, okay. Is he a piece of shit? Yeah. Do we think so? Do we fucking hate Judas? I think a little bit. Okay. All right. We don't want to embody what he embodies. No. And they really, they really give him a great motivation, a great line of thinking. They really make him like an understandable character in The Chosen. But they take some creative liberties, too. Yes, but like. What I hear a lot is that like for Judas to give Jesus to the Pharisees like that, that was kind of always going to happen. That was like part of the plan. Otherwise it doesn't work. Yeah, okay. Like, right. I heard you say that. And you're not the only person I've heard say that too. So Philippians 413. No. Jeremiah 2911 I have a plan for you. And there's other there's another scripture. It's like I knew you in the womb. I knew you before you were in your mother's womb. I had a plan for your life. Yeah, right. So that Judas has planned for his life to betray Jesus. I think it's in theory. Yeah, but I guess another I think this is a creative liberty that they took in the show, but that's not in the Bible, is whenever Jesus is talking to Judas and says that he has, you know, or whatever, and he's like, who is like not God. So I'm like, see, I'm not sure if that's what that's pointing towards or if there's anything in that is any truth behind it. But yeah, it's sort of that begs the question, is this a predetermined thing for his life? But we have free will is the other thing. Like life can't be fully, fully predetermined. I I'll think, because we have free will. That's like what a whole thing is predicated on is that we have freewill. Yeah. You know, I like the whole thought here. So I'm not sure if that was preordained for him to just do that off the jump. He was he was always going to do it. They just knew God knew that was going to happen. Because I mean, like everything is predicated on the lamb being sacrificed to free. And if he didn't do it, what do you still have been crucified? That's a good question. That's the right question. Probably. That's the only way it makes sense. Right. Because there's no way Jesus doesn't get crucified. We need him to be crucified. That's the thing. The whole religion hinges on it. That's the purpose of him coming back. It's like, how do we coming here at all? Right. It's like, can. I hate Jesus? Can I hate Judas? It's like. I don't know. And then is, is it that point. Is Judas just a metaphor for what. That we, we all fuck up. Betray our own ideals. Yeah. That we all betray our own ideals. At some point along the line we hand the Jesus over to the Romans. And that's part of our sinful nature. That's maybe. Yeah. Because that's at. Least metaphorically. That's the the part of the thing that's tough is, like Jesus says, it'd be better for Judas not to be born, but like, yo, like you got to be crucified. Yeah. It's like, how does that work? Is you just going to go to hell forever for completing the Bible. It's like that's kind of tough you know. Yeah. Dude I just got to a weird pinch point in my mind where I couldn't like create a straight line of thought there when I heard him say that because I'm like, well you have to be crucified. Not that I want it to happen, but it's it's just the only thing that makes it all make sense. All the prophecies of the like the lamb. Everything coming back. Yeah. To this point, like. Abraham and Isaac, I think they in have chosen they kind of like foreshadow that Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac. And that's kind of like God sacrificing Jesus. But, you know. As it doesn't actually get sacrificed, but Jesus does. So, yeah, that was just like a I don't know how to I don't know how to hold that in my head. Yeah. If Jesus is saying it would have been better for, you know, never to have been born, maybe he just saying that, I don't know, it's kind of fucked up. Is it because he's going to burn in hell forever that that's what I thought he might have said, that. Maybe. That's the only thing that makes sense. I think it at least. If that's not true, then I at least like, the amount of, like, burden and sorrow and guilt and shame and regret that you're going to feel. Sure. Is going to be of the heaviest burden he could have. You can imagine. Sure. Yeah. You're gonna kill yourself. Pretty much. Does it mean that that heavy of a burden, it's like, oh, shit. So that that's true, at least because he does end up hanging himself or whatever afterwards. So what happened. In the Bible? Yeah. Well, so he killed himself. The show was definitely not going to happen. Yeah. That's that's what's going. On in the Bible. I'm not sure. We say that if you commit suicide, you can't go to heaven. Yeah, I think I remember hearing that stipulation. I'm not sure if there's any biblical references behind it exactly. Or, like, directly. So, I don't know, maybe. I'm sure there are Bible references about it or but like saying sanctity of life or trying to. I don't think there's anything about it directly. I could be wrong. Thou shalt not accidentally run out of air while jerking off, while holding your neck in a rope like it's a doorframe. It's covered. It's in. Okay, for my Joe Rogan back, you think that was funny? But anyways, yeah, it's weird, because if if Judas doesn't do it, then we don't have the crucifixion. But then I do agree that it's probably likely that they would have found a way to crucify him. Regardless, it just so happened that they also used Judas to do that. Yeah, yeah. But I guess I don't know if Jesus is saying it would have been better for you not to have been born because if he wasn't been, yeah. If he wouldn't have been born and wouldn't have it. But actually that's what you're saying right now that it would have happened anywhere. Because that's why he came regardless, as was what the whole point of the whole story was. Yeah. His purpose of being alive. Yeah. Wants to do that. Because they lost the vision. The Pharisees weren't being good Jewish people. They'd become a corrupt tyranny then. And then they had to create the bridge. Jesus had to be the bridge to God. There wasn't a bridge from God to us. That's what Jesus like had to do and to forgive us for the wages of sin were death. We didn't have forgiveness for that. That's another thing. And the devil hadn't been beaten yet. It's like when Jesus died. That was him defeating the devil and this war. And then it's going to happen, I guess, again. But it the devil had more agency because he took the agency from Adam and Eve when they beat the apple. So Jesus had to come redeem Adam and Eve to regain like spiritual control over this world. So yeah. Anyways, that's what I was watching. The chosen. Chosen is a great great show. Yeah, yeah it's crazy watching dramatization of it. Yeah I was I wonder often if the disciples are metaphors for one person the 12 disciples. Because, because I was like should I organize myself in a group of 12? Is that what the I was pointing towards? I don't think that's exactly right. Maybe, maybe it's at least a hint towards the idea of, like, community or some sort of group. I guess having some close people who are like minded, similar beliefs. This is valuable. Maybe it's a little bit. That I think community is important. You know, pastor, as we're talking about that a lot as far as joining community groups and whatnot or. Yeah, I think. It's really cool. You're doing a quiz about us. Yeah, I'll try it out. So it was a yeah. Doing the sounds around like that's more important than like anything we could be doing. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's an in theory for sure. It's all right. See what. See what's up with this bro out here? Yeah. No spa man, I want to I've thought about signing up and doing it a lot, but it's a it's a big it's a big time commitment I think. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see how it all plays out exactly. But yeah just felt compelled you know I'll say yeah. Yeah. It was just cool being out there on Saturday and see pastor it. I was like, oh shit, I'm out here, bro. It was crazy seeing or getting or doing that. And then also looking back and seeing that like we've had practice like at work, you know what I'm saying? It's like praying for people. It's like praying in general. It's like praying in public. It's like it's, the amount of times that we've done that in the last six months or the last eight months versus the last 30 years or whatever. Yeah. The big. Difference. Yeah. That's crazy. It's just like the the way the things kind of play out, it felt kind of like lined up. Oh you love this. You know, they, they met. It was cool. So we'll see what it is what it but I guess yeah there might be more to stop pointing towards. But you were right. What was the initial question? I'll just tell you what's cool. They are the some of the disciples. Oh just. Do do you think. That we should that just. Do you think it'd be better if Judas wasn't born? And I think we're talking about like organizing ourselves in groups. Oh yeah. Well I was just saying I'm trying to figure out what I think that more likely than that we should organize ourselves in groups of 12, that the stories and parables of the disciples who are being taught the stories and parables. But just like the parable of the disciples, is a reference point for like us, that all of the disciples actions and beliefs and embodiment like can culminate inside of one person. So like, as much as you're like Peter, you're also like John, but you're also like Judas, but you're also like Big John, which also. Yeah, yeah, they're all like personalities within yourself. Yeah. Yeah. You can be like the leader and you can be like the loved one and you can be the betrayer. You know. Yeah. And you probably are all of those at some point in time. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely betray yourself or betray your own ideals whenever you make a resolution and then not stick with it or start a diet or say you're going to read a book or so, you're going to watch a movie, or so you're going to whenever you say you're going to do something and then you don't do it. Or the opposite, it's like, here's like embodying like the Judas to a degree. You know, I'm saying at least a little bit, So betraying your own ideal, it's like, no, man, I said, this is the ideal. I said, I'm going to do this. I said, I'm not going to do this. And then, like, you just like, have to live with whatever you do. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. He's become animated sometimes. Yeah. Or get the spirit of whatever, you know, happens. Yeah. It happens. It's crazy. Yeah, yeah. Maybe they might all. I think that is kind of true. Regardless, all characters in a movie are characters in the show. Characters in a book, like, represent parts of personalities that are within that all people have. You know what I'm saying? We all have all these. Everyone's so frickin complicated, bro. Everyone has so much. Depth and nuance because we have so much potential. We could be we could be like Harry Potter, or we could be like in like the older Weasleys or whatever their names are for Fred and whatever. Yeah, we could be like, those people are like, more like jokesters and more like like Ron. Well, a little bit more fearful or timid, but I think we could. We have the predisposition, like we talked about earlier. It's like you're giving personality. So you have like a giving character that you are like in the movie or in the show, but you can, you can, you can widen yourself, you can broaden yourself. You can become more you can become deeper and more depth, more. More life, more field, more broad, more boundaries. To do is take. Mushrooms. That's that's right. We're talking about trying to take a trip to the moon relatively soon. Oh, yeah. Guys been got to go to the fucking moon, bro. Spend time. By the time the birthdays roll around, we got to go to the. Fucking I'm ready for something day. If I almost thought about doing it by myself. Not telling you. Let's go. Let's go to the moon real quick though I just. I get nervous, like not to do anything wrong, any of my friends or nothing. I just get nervous being around y'all. When I'm high as fuck, you know. Like, I'm like, I was just thinking, like, you were trying to cut something with scissors. And I was like, what if this motherfucker cuts off his finger? So, yeah, that'd be so bad. I'm like, oh God, that's a mething. You know, anything to do with you? But I just get I get nervous for other people. But then I'm like, what if I lost myself? No one was there. I was like. That's not. Good. Well, that would suck no matter what. Yeah, I've never done that before. I'm never gonna sit like this. Got lost. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I've seen other people just like lost before where I'm like, yikes. Like Johnny Cash in a bush eating the cake. Yeah. Yeah, but. But I don't know. There was something in my spirit that was just like, this is kind of overwhelming, but they're just into the Paul Stamets on Joe Rogan. I'm listening to it. Kurt. Oh, that's. The. I get it. This is where it's coming from. Yeah, yeah, we need to do that. I think they're telling us like, hey. You know, things at that time. I was going to tell you after I watched that podcast, I'm like to call an army man. From Saving Paul. Yeah, he got his Paul. He's good at it. I mean, fucked is good advocate. Yeah. The one thing that was, what we're referring to the Paul Stamets. He's a person that has been on Joe Rogan's podcast multiple times. He's a big advocate for psychedelics. And Simon Mushrooms, particularly multi-model. Researcher. Yeah. Oh, mushrooms in general. Many books. Yeah. He's a super, well, well-written, well researched, well-respected person in this industry in that field of psycho psychedelic scientific study, whatever type ship he's on it and he's on the podcast. And one thing that he mentioned, I've only listened to a little bit of it, but he mentioned a study that was done, and it was interesting to me, the results that they found, it was like religious people, I'm pretty sure. Right. They're talking about they took different people from different religious backgrounds, and then they gave them all like a heroic dose of whatever the fuck they like, induce a psychedelic experience among these people. And they all, all of it, or all of their beliefs in their faith, all heightened. And said, yeah, across the board. Yeah. So it wasn't, it wasn't like and they were like, someone was like, oh, I'm wrong. Okay. It's like. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of strange to me a little bit. Yeah. They all rated as one of the top five experiences in the life to like 95%. Yeah. Most impactful significant experiences in their life. Yeah. These are like I guess devout religious people who are in like, Muslim, Buddhists, Christian, Jewish, whatever. Crazy. Yeah. And all of them deepened, you know what I'm saying? I should just happens, bro. It's just happens. I don't know, man. I heard I'm talking about how the peak rewiring portion of the the psychedelic trip where your brain is, like, the most open to rewiring it's neuron fires is like when you're peaking. And that I was just like, got it by heart. Said one more time. Like, the the point in time where your brain is most susceptible to change. Yeah. Is different on different drugs. So like for ayahuasca or ibogaine or mushrooms like to have a different peak window where your brain is the most susceptible to rewiring the way your neurons fire and okay, connections. Got it. And then for mushrooms it's like when you're peaking and shortly after. And I was like, man, that's like a tough wave to you got like, I'm peaking, okay, I want to be a different person. Like I really like yeah. Capture it. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I think that's that's what gave me pause is I'm like, man, when I'm tweaking on Max, that's when I got to be like, here's what I'm doing. But you're in such a different state at that point to, like, everything I'm saying now is going to be gone in the wind. But like, what's the winds? We're gonna lose that dude. Yeah, yeah. We gotta lose words. I'm going to lose who I am. Yeah, who I think I, I remember losing. Like losing whenever. Like we were just conversating. You're talking about. We or us or they. I was like, who are you talking about? It is this because there's. So it depends on who you are or what you want to include. When you say, we like who, who's we? You can include anyone you want is say we as men, we as people named Justin, we as people wearing red shirts, we as Americans, we as humans, we as people with daughters. Yeah. So there's so many boundaries you could choose. Yeah. Like, which boundary are you using right now? Again, you have regular conversation of would just. You would quote Justin. Matthew. And Justin to drugs to feel like this. You're telling me that's how I got here. Well on what I said running back I had a reverse engineer. I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, this is a regular life. How do I get here? So no. Oh, no. But just just to clarify. How I got here, because I took something. Matthew and Justin took. Something, and now we're here. What the fuck? It's so funny. So strange. It's so funny. It's so different. It's a different place. Yeah, it's funny because okay, that's a this is a topic of conversation that's come into my matrix over the last couple days. Given that we were doing like the, the volunteer stuff and then learning or going through a clip and whatever, and then thinking about doing community groups or going forward and getting involved. And now just thinking to myself and how these interactions are going to go with other church goers if I do get involved or whatever, start interacting community groups, hanging out, doing things and then like conversating about the Bible or talking about faith or talking about life, whatever, you know, so like having these conversations. Sure. And then part of because part of my part of my like discovery is like, you know. I'm with you. I got to just go to that going on anybody. Yeah, yeah. You dabble dab dab dab partake. Dabblers partook. Yeah. Definitely knows any of y'all dabbles in the these. Yeah. So that's why I say it as a joke. I'm like, in the way to do that. I just take mushrooms. I say it as a joke, but like, man, I just really change your perspective. There's something in there that just is undeniable. It's undeniable. It's just like talking to a Gen Z or talking to a little, like two or fucking 12 year old and being like, Michael Jordan was a dominant force for like, I don't like. Yeah, I don't get it. It's like, no, I got to like. If I just put you, I put a VR on. Her head and then take her to a courtside Bulls game six, you know. Say against Utah in the finals. Yeah. It's like okay he's a dominant force. It's like you got to experience it. You know what I'm saying. Yeah. So it's like that that thing is whenever you it's a different animal experiencing it. Yeah. Yeah. I see what you're saying. It's like I can tell you that tripping is an experience, but when you experience it, it's like I can tell you by water all day, but until you're dying of thirst and you drink water, it's like, that's different. You're going to, like, understand it. You can understand is different. It might not be fair for everybody, I guess. Apparently. I think if you do it safely in an environment when you're in a right headspace. It's not good for people that have psychosis. Yeah, I guess there are definitely like schizophrenic results, right from some some reactions. Yeah. If you have. Some adverse. Likelihood of to enter a psychosis through genetics or schizophrenia, what is psychosis. Exactly? I mean, I don't even know. Go you go crazy. You lose, you lose yourself. Don't come back. That's no. Eminem. No. I think that. And I don't know, we can judge it right here, but, like, my understanding of it is that. Like, people have a grip on reality. Like what's actually going on here. And so when you trip, you kind of lose your grip on reality. But then if you have a, like a loose, if you don't really know what's going on here, you don't really understand yourself. You don't really understand social circles, you don't really understand the way that politics and economics and the gears that turn every single day, you can kind of like. End up a crazy person where you're just like permanent psychosis. Yeah. Like, I think it manifests in a lot of, like, paranoia and, distrust and, like, thinking people are out to get you and not, like, being able to understand, like, I was a baby. I went to school, I made choices, I had this job. With this job, I was in this relationship and then that relationship. And then, like, now I'm here, I have more choices. I will propel me forward, and I need to make the right choices, or I will be homeless or whatever, you know, like being able to follow that train of thought and be you. It's like you lose your grip on being able to do that. You just start like fucking wandering around. Yeah, yeah, do me crazy. Oh, this is your house. This is where you live. So what is. Tripping? I stay here, so again, you got to go to work. Someone. I got to go where. Yeah. Like fucking out of there. And that stuff. Yeah. That's I could definitely see how that's it. Women may push you off in that direction because I lose myself. Yeah. Yeah sure. For sure. It's like you lose your grip on. Just understand. Let's talk about it. I mean do people take mushrooms all the time and they're fucking fine, dude. You know, like that was really alleviating in my spirit. I was like, oh no, I'll fucking. Do this for sure. Yeah, I'll talk about it a whole lot. But they do. Sure, dude. Yeah, yeah. It's trippy. I'm not sure if it's for everybody. Exactly. But I think if you put yourself in the right state of mind. Right people. Right setting. Right whatever all those details, line yourself up. Try to fucking get yourself, you know, geared up to go do it, you know. Yeah. Like almost ritualistically. Yeah. Like do a ceremony to like get yourself not that's fucking like burning incense. You can do it if you want, like burning sage, but it's like work out, read a book, you know, meditate for a little bit and clean your house and then do it saying so. Yeah, at least like feeling pretty decent about yourself. Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. And yeah, I mean. Then I see what the fuck. I happen so great all the time. So just kind of scary. Some of you, you kind of feel some shit that you don't want to feel. You don't. You're not always doing everything great. You got some Judas in your heart. You gotta be able to, like, look at that and see that without, like, freaking the fuck out, you know? Yeah. Being able to process that information, I think one thing. Willing to look at it. Yeah. Exactly. Because you're going to look at it. Yeah. Yeah. Whether your eyes are open or not, they're going to be opened. And you can put that in a box and never look at it and just keep living your life like, no, no. But then like you're doing subconscious harm to yourself in the long run. Anyways, this is like medicine to help you with that. And some people would rather just continue the journey of doing long term harm subconsciously to themselves. But that's it's like never changing the car. I think partially because it's familiar, you know, saying like, it's just like the routine, the habitual periodic cycles that are just going on, sun come up, sun come down, and then what happens in between or what happens during that, you know, portion cycle. Right? I'm in the cycle where this is going on. It's like not fuck that man. It's easier I guess I'm looking at everything now. I think that's that's one of the portions. That's one of the explanation or the ways that, Joe Dispenza, I think I mentioned him before, he's explained some stuff in his book, season one. He's talking about, things to be called, are called Becoming Supernatural. And he's a guy who was talking about, like, opening your chakras and sort of like meditations and that kind of stuff. And like, I think, John show John he was talking about he was. Like, yeah. Yeah. So he was talking about, the patterns that we repeat and like the thoughts that we repeat every day. It's like we, we repeat most of our thoughts. You know, most of the thoughts today are the same thoughts that we thought yesterday. It's like, like 90%. It's like that 10% is where it kind of like pushes you one way or the other. Or if you're able to like notice and take a conscious awareness of what the thoughts are and like, stop them or like rewire those patterns of thinking. So if you're on like a negative trajectory, it's like you're you're more likely going to repeat that negative trajectory every day. It's like we repeat our thoughts. So like it's like if you just stop and like take conscious time to take control of those thoughts and then try to rewire them and then project them in a different direction, like you'll hopefully repeat those thoughts every day as well. So it's like the Matthew Principle. It's going fucking up and down. And part of the way that we get stuck in those negative thought patterns and just continue that -90% over and over again is the is our like ability. It's our fear of the unknown and our lack of like confidence and walking into that. And like part of you'd rather stay in a familiar situation where you know, it's predictable and you can get predictable pain versus like going out into the unknown and seeing what's out there or like, you know, saying just like that potential reality of not knowing what's going to happen next. So like, I always go to the bar. So I always like, you know, I was this is my routine. Like I go to work and then I do I go to the bar on Monday through Friday or I go to the bar Thursday, Friday or whatever. I go to this place and then I do these things, and then this is like my cycle that I'm repeating. But then like, you're afraid to kind of step out of that in some portions, in some aspects and some subconscious facets because like, it's just you don't know, you literally don't know what's going to happen. You have no idea. It's like, I know that if I go to work and I go to the bar, I'm going to have at least a decent time, maybe a relatively bad time, maybe relatively good time, but somewhere in between, like a 3 to 7 and I'm going to go home and I'm going to wake up and then continue my shit. But like, if I don't go to the bar, I literally have no idea what am I going to do with my life? Like, where am I going to go after work? Like, what am I going to. Go to the gym alone? I go home, what am I going to do? You know what I'm saying? So it's like there's just like the fear of not knowing what's, what's going to happen. And so the predictability, I think, is assuring for us, we like that, you know, as humans. So we like science, you know, like, I could produce a pattern and I know what's going to happen. And like, we call that science. It's like, I know this thing now. It's not a theory. I proved my theory. It's like the patterns reiterate and I could recognize it consistently. But like we get stuck in that, you know, so it could be dangerous to be stuck in your predictable patterns. Because if it's even if it's a negative thing, it's like you're still might be more apt to lean towards predictability than unknown. Just like human nature. It's like, oh shit, man. That's that's a good part of it. That's like baseline. I think those are the things like. Like the things, you know now, like, I know it's Tuesday, but whatever I said Thursday, like I know it's Tuesday, I know I've got six or so hours left in the day. I know I'm wearing a white shirt. And then when you're trippin, there's other stuff that you know. Okay, you fucking know it. Yeah. And you can't really lie to yourself or not know it in that place. And with that knowing you're, I don't I don't know. What am I trying to say here? You're in this open place where you're willing to rewire things or you're rewiring. Process has happened like you were in the middle of an update. Whether you want to. Then. You know, things that you can't really not know. Like you know it like. Truth. For me was a big one. Like there is a truth going on. Objective reality was another big one. I realized, like there is truth and there is objective reality. Like those things are happening right now. They're subjective reality like what I think happens. And for the most part, my subjective reality is in line with objective reality. But I know that there's a difference so I can be wrong. And then my subjective reality is misaligned with objective reality. And then truth is, this thing kind of like connecting those things. So if I align with truth, then I'll be aligned with objective reality. But sometimes, whether on purpose or on accident, I'm not aligned with truth. And that leaves me susceptible to be misaligned with objective reality. And you don't have to do anything with those. I guess you could just live in your subjective reality where you're like, that guy's an asshole, and it's like he might not actually be an asshole. It might not. You might be a complex character. It might not. But you just tell yourself it's objective reality. He's an asshole. But like when you're trippin, like, you know what the like, you could really know what he's like, and you put away your subjective reality and you're kind of in objective reality. And then from that place, you. Also the normal life. Oh, yeah. Like, oh yeah. And you're getting updated in that process. So like, good things can happen there. You know, you can take that like thing. Oh shit I'm wrong about that into my update or like, oh I do that behavior that I don't like a lot. And I'll take that into the update. So like I spend way too much time at the fucking bar. Take that into my update. I don't spend enough time at the gym. Take it into my update. I don't have a good relationship with my dad. Let me take that into the update. And I think that that's super useful. That's like, the mystical part about it is the knowing of things that are unknown to your conscious mind and your subjective reality. Yes. And then once the blindfolds been taken off, you can put it back on. A lot of people do, but you could actually make a change that would change your life, too. That's the part of it. And then if you were willing to make enough changes over enough trips, that's how you end up like a Paul Stamets where you're like, I just follow the mushrooms. I got obsessed with mushrooms. I got like pretty much committed his life to mushrooms. He's a wealthy fucking guy with a book. So more or less complete. Completely. His life is just like, revolving around mushrooms. Yeah. His whole life. It's kind of crazy. That's wild. The question is, could you follow the mushrooms to a heaven on earth? Oh, I don't know. Mean. Should you worship the mushroom? Warship? I don't know. Warships. The right word definitely appreciates, like, a nice tool. Really important instrument. Like, I meant, like, a good medicine, you know, super medicine. It's super medicine. We should follow Jesus, I think, to heaven on earth. Yeah. Jesus is on a mushroom. No, I don't think so. There are some I hear some of those, on. On that Joe podcast with Paul. They were talking about some like, religious, like, pictures and old men like, metaphor or what I'm trying to say, like, symbolism and type type image imagery. Like mushroom, mushroom cross. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That kind of stuff. It's like, I don't know, I don't know how to tell you, bro, but that shit's crazy. Yeah. It's it's crazy. Based on. I just don't know what to tell you. Jesus Christ is the witness. What part of the life. For sure. A real human that came back and did that and then died and then came back. It's like there's a if if you saw someone do that. You wouldn't give a fuck what anyone else had to say about that, you know, saying you would not care at all. Yeah. It's like if that actually happened, which a lot of people in like historical witnesses are saying, like, we have evidence and this is a real human being. And then there's many witnesses who are saying that this actually happened. So it's like we're just going to take them on that word on it. But if I was one of those people, I say I wouldn't give a fuck what any of y'all, any of y'all think he was saying. So I think that that was a true story that actually happened like that. That's just going down. But like get the the part, the the part of the thing that's going to be a weird conversation piece because I have that is like the foundation. And then also the conversation piece of like the CBC people. Like is to be like, hey. Man, so, yo, you got your tablet. What's up is the way to the moon. If you can do that, why not you? Also, I do it. It's my witness. It's part of my witness testimony. This is. It's part of the. Part of the undeniable bility of watching Michael Jordan dominate. Do you think Passover trips? I doubt it, these are good questions. Doubt it, I doubt it. Seriously. I think he does. You think so? Yeah. No. Yeah. He was a kid, like in the 70s. Yeah. He's he's just so convinced. I know how you get that can do this. You know same I know, I know I know how it happens for sure. I got it from you just now talking about because you're. Like, how do I not talk about it? And then I was like, why do you think Pastor Edward was like, wait a minute. Son of a bitch. I think he probably has. Maybe, maybe I'd be willing to talk to him. About it. On camera, off cam, whatever you want, dog. I'm down. And some of the. Boys can't really go out and say publicly. Yeah, being. In the position is one. Hundred percent, but that's what I'm saying. So like, in those conversations, because it's part of my witness and testimony and part of like, like the underneath Abel nature that a lot of people share in those experiences. You know, it's I mean, it's not just taking mushrooms or taking psychedelics. It's about inducing the psychedelic experience, the ego dissolving the the thing that's like connecting or like the the veil unreal and revealing. It's like that thing needs to happen. Just because you take them doesn't necessarily mean you get there. Yeah. I mean, it could be like. Yeah, and there's an argument to be said. Lucifer is like the person of like, knowledge, right. You know, Lightbringer or somebody that. Yeah, that's supposed to be like, the the knowledge of good and evil. This is what that like the apple. Yeah, yeah. And you could say, like the mushroom unlocks the knowledge of good and evil. You could say that. And that would make it because it's like also why why are there no mushrooms in the Bible? You would think at some point they'd be like, this is the mushroom broken for, you know. Yeah, it's it around a trip. It's like you talk to my father dog. You get that? Yeah. You DM them. But. So there's an argument to be made. Maybe you're just talking to demons when you're on mushrooms, but. I don't. Think that's what's going on. But I don't think it's maybe just like when you're around Jesus, it's like he can tell you. All. The things, bro. Like it's better than a mushroom trip. Just talk to Jesus because he knows who you are and what's going on with your life. And it can directly communicate sometimes with the mushroom. You're trying to figure it out. It's like there you no figuring it out. Jesus is like, tell you how to be B2C. This is what you got to do. I think it's interesting that like nine think of the disciples ended up being crucified. Nine of the 12. Yeah, I know a lot of them did for sure. If you if not all of them, it was a it's like at least nine or something like that. Yeah. And like that's what following. Jesus. Gets you. Not that you shouldn't follow Jesus, just like. That's dangerous. At the time, bro. Jeez, Louise. Fuck, yeah. It's okay. Yeah. I mean, you're going purely good in a purely evil world. It's like, that's what's going to happen to you. You're going to get. Crucified, I. Think. Then maybe, maybe not. Maybe. Maybe that was just what happened back then. Maybe, like now, you can follow Jesus 100% and have a good life. That'd be awesome, I believe that. Oh, definitely. There. More so now than back then. Yeah, it's not illegal or anything like that. It's sort. Of a noticing of the world and politics, government, business, telling lies really beneficial. And. Telling lies. Yeah. Just help you out a lot. In much easier to short term for sure. Like record companies. I was listening to the Bill Burr podcast of Joe Rogan back during Covid because I'm like too caught up there talking about the record companies just lie and steal. It's like all they do is lie and steal, trying to steal as much money as they can. Yeah, music. And then also like Bill Burr was selling comedy series, they did like a 6040 split, but then they put all the costs on bills 60. So it was like he gets 60% of gross, but the record company gets 40% of the net, so they end up making more money because they were net not gross. And they put the expenses on bills cut. And he's like, that's all of them. That's all they do. They just like lie and take and steal. And they want to finance you out of your money and your ownership. And I'm like. So I'm. Saying like. Fuck that. Maybe it'd be easier to do business if you lie and steal from people. You make more money, better party, easier to be a politician if you're just lying all the time. Oh, we're going to fix that shit. Believe me, we're gonna fix that shit. Vote for me. We're gonna fix that shit. I promise. Fucking promise. We go get that I've seen list. Out the fixed, I fixed it, I don't know. Yeah, it's it's it's kind of a no. What? I've seen this. That's what I'm saying. So it's like following Jesus has some. It's harder to be a Christian. It's harder to tell the truth and try to do the right thing and not take the corners and take responsibility and take blame. And shit is more difficult. So like, maybe that's like the trying, trying to be Christ like, but then Jesus gets crucified. It's like, what does that mean? Well, he gets resurrected, I guess, in a sense in heaven. So that's the other part. So even when life goes absolutely terrible, you will be resurrected and you will enter heaven. So yeah, let's try to. It's been I've spent in a lifetime trying to figure out what that means, to try to be Christ like, try to follow Jesus. Yeah. The, at minimum, it's at least pointing towards like the, embodying the ultimate sacrifice. Or embodying the character of the person who's willing and able to provide the perfect sacrifice, ultimate sacrifice. Life. A sacrifice was a. Life of sacrifice. I think. So that's. Some fun. That's fucking. That's on Eve. I think this is a part of the game. Yeah. I think that's like the major motif of the Bible as a sacrifice. I was like, the first thing we learn, it's like as far as soon as we drop, as soon as we get out of the what's call the garden, it's like, all right, Cain and Abel, you know, a sacrifice. And that's what we got to do now. Yeah, like some bitch. Okay, here we going to furl our brows or your brows all sweaty. You know what the is? Whatever it's all about. Yeah. For sure. That's just part of what we're dealing with here. What's your ultimate. Sacrifice? What's the best way to be. Yeah, your best response because of that. Because that is the nature of reality. How should you respond? How should you and act? How should you be? You should bear that cross. And I can take it all the way, bro. Express love. Yeah. Self-sacrifice to the highest degree. Fight tyranny. I don't know if that's what I'm supposed to take away from that fight. Corruption was a I. Don't know if that's the takeaway in the Bible which one to fight tyranny and corruption, but Jesus does. I'm gonna use that for show you. I think that's super important. Yeah, it's definitely it. Makes it way more sense now seeing it like dramatized and portrayed in The Chosen than it ever did before. Like because I knew that that was like part of his motif or part of the motif of who the character of Jesus was or what he did. He was like a rebel, someone like going against the the structure of the day, like sticking it to the man, you know, saying. It's like the shit got out of hand. And like they became tyrannical and became exclusive and became like holier than thou and type of like a gatekeepers to God. You know, he's like, no, that's not right. That's not that's not the God that we know. You know, saying God created all this shit. You can't just hold on to him and make him give you higher status. That's like kind of how how how it happened. Yeah. We're social creatures. It makes sense to a degree. Yeah. We're corrupting things. You know, it's not just corruptive creatures like government systems. Of course. It sounds like a great idea. We need we need someone to organize systems and make sure that tax dollars are allocated to the schools and the roads and the fucking bullshit. And we're helping people and all this hunky dory that people like taking money and fucking being corrupt and part of the nature of the beast, part of nature, of sin, part of nature of the game. But where I was going with that beginning, whatever the fuck. It's part of being Christ like fighting tyranny. Yeah. So I think it is about the scene that we're portraying in The Chosen is giving it much more life than it's like reading the Bible. But yeah, I knew that was part of his personality type, was like the person going against that and going against these people who let the system get corrupt, get out of hand. Yeah. So but yeah, to see it in the in chosen like super obvious. It's obvious. It's like super. It's like oh he's literally like not attacking these people. Kinda so. Assumes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially when he's flipping shit in the temple. He goes out, he's going nuts. Is that him? He's going crazy. I wonder if that was part of his human like, because he's like he is a. Human being overtaken with frustration. Yes. That's definitely a human thing to do. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I guess God does that too, though. And like the Old Testament, he was smiting people, dawg. You should be breaking it down, bro. He don't give a shit. No. With you. But that's what clicked in my head when I was watching that the other day. I was like that, the feeling of like, oh, fuck this, I'm gonna flip. I'm gonna flip that up, bro. Like, that's I wonder if that was like, his humanity shining through or like. Because also whenever he says to, like, take the cup away from me. So you ask too much. Lord, like, this is terrible. Like my heart's filled with sorrow. I don't want to do this. That felt very human, you know, whereas, like, I think if God's will be done, we will just, like, perform God's will, emotion, lessly. But we begin, like, frustrated human emotions. Nervous, scared. We have emotions. What the fuck is that? Why a capacity? Why give us emotions? No, no, no. Highs and. Lows. Because we're not robots. Yeah, there's our robots. We're not AI. Yeah, sometimes there's. There's beauty in the feeling. That's like the human experience just to feel. That's that's that's the ultimate human experience. That's, That's art. It makes you feel something. So we pay millions of dollars for these paintings. Yeah. Just to feel. Something. To feel something when you look at it, when you walk in the living room. But then. But. Yeah. So I guess I'll that and saying like, I think. I think that there comes a point because I think part. Okay. So I was, I was thinking about using that evidence of like Jesus in the chosen dramatize as like going against the Pharisees and going against the organized structures of religion at the time, being a rebel like, rebel spirited and that sort of capacity, using that as a reference point or pointing towards that in justification for like, I guess it's being cautious of having the Pharisee like Ferris ethical energy is spirit like, dwell within the church. I think that's an important thing that, like we had to be, was wary of in general. You know, I'm saying it's people who use the holier than thou or like trying to condemn. People are trying to use it, use the Bible to try to be like like someone who knows the Bible might be more dangerous to like to people, to nonbelievers. You know, if someone is manipulative with their manipulative and cold and harsh with their tonality and with the deliverance of the word and with the grace, you know, I'm saying with like, what's supposed to be grace, but the delivering it with like, mal intentions and trying to like, put themselves above somebody or make somebody else feel lower. It's like that's yeah, be careful with that shit because that's like just because you know the Bible and like, you're a Christian, you claim to be a Christian, you know the Bible, you know the verses, you you spin this thing. But the way that you're doing it and treating or using that information outwardly, expressing it towards somebody else is like what the Pharisees were doing, bro. So we gotta be careful not to be doing that nowadays. That's what Jesus came back to fight, you know. So he died because of that. That's good. You know, I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. Be careful. Yeah. That's a good thing to wrap your head around. I think it's weird because there's like two groups of people. Then there's like, people who are unaware. Well, what the heck? Maybe we're just on the wrong setting again. I hit left instead of right. Okay, well, I got you here to take the people to people. Two groups of people there. There's the people that are completely unaware of what's going on in the Bible, who can be doing worldly things. That would be frustrating and upsetting as a Christian. And there's people who could be using the word and manipulating it to take advantage of moral superiority. Or. Righteous indignation and get frustrated with Christians. And so we're kind of somewhere in the middle, right? Because if the world's doing shit, that's fucked up, it makes me upset. But then I don't want to be a Pharisee about like, the way that I try to tell them, like, this is not a very Christian way to be doing what we're doing, but then also the setting that this is the people that are corrupting Christianity to do fucked up shit in the world. That's what I'm saying. So like the doing the fucked up shit is the fucked up thing. So like as a Christian, because like, Jesus got upset with the Pharisees for sure. He was like, the corruption is fucked up. But he wasn't corrupt. But the frustration was vindicated on some level. So I think like as a Christian, I think frustration with corruption is vindicated. All the fucked up thing is, oh, enacting and embodying the corruption like small and the chosen. Like he thought he was doing the right thing, but he was. Yeah, he's like legitimately thinking he's like defending the Torah or like defending God's word and protecting the traditions and religion this, that have gotten them this far. Yes. And that's the. That's that's where it can get scary. It's because you don't want to be Ishmael. Because he was he didn't think he was being corrupt, but he was being corrupt. Yeah, I think I think that all this are part of this is telling also into this thing about this more deeply because, I think I don't know. Okay. So I think it goes into like the idea of. Smells like in this example of this character in The Chosen, whose name? Shmuel. He's like the he's in like the higher he's in the Pharisee ethical like school. He's in like the one of the higher ranking, like places where they go and study and preach and do other community shit. So he's like deep into the Jewish tradition, Jewish faith wants to protect that and wants to keep the like the Torah and the Old Testament. But like there are some people in like Nicodemus is one of them and the other, I guess the, Yousef, I think, is his name. Other people who are in the same parasitical school and structure of the organized religion, they're also in the same thing, but they're not as bound, like, I guess, what's the difference between those characters? It's like they're not as bound or not as restrictive or I guess, well, what's what's inhibiting Shmuel from, like being open enough to letting Jesus be the Messiah because he's so just like anti like he can't, he can't be the Messiah. But there's other critical. Moments, like Nicodemus points to. He's seen too many miracles to not believe that Jesus is the Messiah. It's like I've seen the lame walk in the deaf, hear in the mute talk, and the lepers healed. And that's like. Prophecy. That. The Messiah would do those things and like, they've actually been done. Like he can't even see him. But he believed his witness who went and saw those things. So, like, I saw Lazarus rise from the grave, like it's undeniable. It's undeniable. Like he was convinced more or less. But then I wonder if I don't think Shmuel saw the miracles, but then. So that that's one. That's why Nicodemus was sure or had certainty, you know. But then he was also kind of open to it because he he had witness in the beginning, too, because. Mary. Yeah. So like. He. Was granted the same thing that the disciples were granted where they saw miracles. And then with Yusuf, it was, about how condemning Jesus to death was clearly not what the religion is about. That's not what we're supposed to be doing here. So I think that's like for me, that's like when someone is lying, I'm like, that's not Christian. Like, I don't care who you are. Like, there's never a justification to why that's not there or to act in love is what we're supposed to be doing. So if you're not giving grace or not giving forgiveness or not trying to do the right thing, it's like, well, the right thing becomes subjective, I guess. Like it's tough. But that's like, was usage that was used as clear point towards I think we're doing something wrong here. And then but for Shmuel, when he saw. The way that it was, when Mary was rubbing or putting the oil on his feet. Right. He she was tripping hard on that. That was like his turning point for, like, this is disgusting. There's no way that this is how the Messiah would act. And I'm trying to. I don't understand enough of the tradition to, to know how blasphemous that was or how how righteous or how accurate she was. Like disdain for that was or how warranted. Right. But Yousef was right there and he wasn't tripping on that. Yeah. He's like because I think that's like what's really going on here? It's like she this guy is the Messiah. And she feels so compelled. She spent all of her money just to wash his feet with the nicest perfume that there's possibly around. It's like, that kind of makes sense if he's the Messiah, doesn't that make sense to you? He's like, but then. There's some. Logistical barrier. It's like, nope, that doesn't fit in my matrix of what's right. And oh. God is oh yeah, right. What's appropriate or what's not appropriate based on our cultural regulations. And I think that that's it's like the Good Samaritan shouldn't have helped the person because they weren't a Samaritan. They were, like, from different religions or whatever. Yeah. So that's like, he's a good Samaritan because he stopped to help someone outside of his religion. But it's like, that's the, the thing, doing the good thing, doing the right thing, extending the love, like helping people. You know, I think that that's that's the character of God. And then limiting that is not the character of God. And that's where Ishmael got it fucked up is like he's unwilling to see the right thing be done if it crosses the regulations of the rules. But it's almost hard to blame him if that's what he was trained to believe. God was, you know? Yeah, he spent his whole life like learning, then preaching that and being indoctrinated into that school of thought. I think it's just dumb, but it's crazy. Yeah, I think I think there's a level of openness and ease that come with God because we're not God. And one and two point his ways are not our ways. Fair point. You can't. This is a conversation. This so this is like us. I'm realizing this is like all kind of stemming from a couple of different places, like within my own spiritual sort of faith walk that I've been going on. But also just like the idea of I'm like in like the digesting, the chosen and like figuring out who like what the character of Jesus is and like, what, what, what God's trying to do here, like love ultimately wins. I understand that trying to reverse engineer some of this stuff, but we're talking because I was talking to some of my coworkers about, aliens. This like in passing real quick. And then we were talking about we got there from I forgot how the initial conversation started, got the aliens talking to them, and then, one of my coworkers was like, or just ask me. And I was like, I think, I don't know, it's it's hard to believe it's harder to to believe that we're not the only or the hard to believe that we are the only things here and all the 100 millions and millions and millions of galaxies or whatever. And, it's tough to say who they are, what they are exactly, and how they are in relation to us. But like, I wouldn't be surprised if there are. It's like, I'm not saying I'm not 100% convinced, but like, I would lean. Yes, like I would think so. But I'm not. Who knows? I don't fucking know. None of us really know for sure. Just sounds like a testament to openness. Yeah, right. You know. So yeah, but I'm down. But yeah. Then he was like, oh, it's like I guess he was just like somewhat surprised. I guess his verbiage was almost, something like, I'm surprised that that is your answer, given that you're like a man of faith or like super religious to a degree or whatever, and it's like, I guess I'll just think about, like a response to that. And it's like, because he was more in line with, like, the Bible doesn't mention aliens at all. And I was just like the one like, there's the there's parasitical energy coming from that, you know what I'm saying? It's so just like, no, you know, so, like, how the fuck do you know, brother? Like, you know, like, I don't put God in a box like I can't. He's on the book. He's not in the building. He is everywhere and nowhere at the same time. Like he's here in your heart. Most importantly with you, in your conscious, in your mind. More importantly, like all the time. And we can call upon that. And like the Holy Spirit allows us to talk to that as part of our religious beliefs. Like even just like a practical game mechanic belief. It's like we had this weird voice thing we got going on here. We have this weird mental space and we can generate thoughts and then thoughts get dropped. It's just like, what's we? We no one knows. We can't explain that. We don't know consciousness like any more than we did, like ten years ago, 15 years ago, probably more so over the last like 50, 70 years. But it's such a such an elusive thing to study. Like we can't quantify consciousness or like, label it or truly know what the fuck's going on here. We just know that we like, live. We're like conducting science experiments within that. Given that the Big Bang happened regardless of like, all this crazy shit, it's the same. But, you know, just like the idea of I can't put boundaries on it, I can't put boundaries on God, I can't do it. Yeah. If it's like blasphemous or like completely anti-religious, it's like, okay, that's obvious. Like murderers and. God. Yeah. Like aliens. It's like a who are you to say whether or not you know. But even if that is your stance to like, use that as a verbal like chess piece in this game of conversation. You know what I'm saying? It's like that's parasitical energy. Saying, yeah, even if you do believe that. To use your belief of God to constrain your openness. Yeah. That's nice. I think you just fucking found something. Yeah, yeah. If you use God to constrain openness, that's theoretical. Yeah. So come on, man, you can't be. You can't be living a god. You can't be. Come on, bro, I was kind of tripping whenever they went. One more parting thought. Whenever I'm at the part in the chosen where, Caiaphas was, like, praying to the to God or to add and I about saying what to do, you know what I'm saying? Or like to give them the right guidance going forward or whatever. Calling them like calling Jesus like a necromancer or whatever else he was doing that was fucked up. And I was like, who are you praying to? Yeah, yeah. I'm saying. Yeah, right. What's going on here? This is crazy. They really believe that doing the right thing here, I love him. I think that. Because I didn't think he was praying. It was a political speech. He was convincing. He was setting the tone. He was telling them like. I am. Talking to the ideal and I'm calling Jesus a necromancer while I'm talking to the ideal, and I'm basically making it such that you are. All in agreeance and. Agreeance with that. And that's why use of open his Eyes. I was like, what the fuck are you doing there? Yeah, there was a couple of like two of two of them where there's like not partaking in the prayer. Yeah, yeah. Because in my mind that wasn't a prayer. It was propaganda. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I don't think and he opened his eyes eventually to and he was like no longer praying like this, but he was praying like opened eyes to the people. And I was like, yeah, that's like he's is is propaganda speech. Yeah. Not a prayer. Yeah. Because I thought the same thing when. Emma's dad is praying in the house, thanking God for the opportunity to crucify Jesus, and he's like, they're like quoting the scriptures about how God takes care of people in tribulation. And that's when his wife is finally like, yo, you're disgusting to me. Like you're taking scripture and you're using it to like, manipulate a way to get Jesus crucified, whom is probably the Messiah. And it's like, I don't know who you are anymore. Like your guilt and grief has turned you into someone I don't recognize. And I don't want to be around this person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there was that was also like a moment where I'm like, Paul, you bring it to. You know what I'm saying? God's not here in that prayer. Like there's no way, you know. But granted, that's not in the Bible. So like. Like some more creative liberties I took in the show. Right. But definitely was an area the moment. Where you're. Like, there's no way. That's so some prayers, you know, like. If you're. Praying for the downfall of your enemy, unless it's literally Goliath, man. You, you. Know, you better make sure that person is really an enemy. And I don't really pray for the downfall of anybody. Yeah, it just takes time to develop and see what what the truth is. I pray for God's will be done. That's a prayer for the right thing to happen. Pray for truth and love to to win. I have one more parting question. Let's go. What do you want to. Do on the mushrooms? What are you trying to get done? I think I think that will take care of itself. I, I think like a minute care of itself. But I want to go. I want to go there to. Let them do what they need. To do, said. The Yogi. I wasn't going to, as far as like actually, tangibly with my hands maybe gets like a get some shows lined up to watch, get someone to help babysit. Or just get help, guide the experience. Googoo. Yeah, right for us, Miss Rachel, for this, for us on TV. Maybe get some coloring books, listen to some music. Yeah. Walking the track was one of my favorite. Yeah. So I won't go outside and walk somewhere. Yeah. Walking around in the neighborhood or just out in the, the backyard? Yeah. Something simple like that. That's why I imagine myself sitting on the couch. Just getting on. Oh, yeah. So I can think of my ass off. But then I get to a point where you kind of itchy and antsy. You got to move your body around. Yeah, we line up something to watch, something to do with our hands, and then something to do outside. Yeah, yeah. Being outside. Yeah. I think my ass off on the come down. I'm always like, want to rap? I feel like I just have full control over the scale of rap. Yeah. Jumping from idea to idea. Words like time where it's coming to you. Where it's coming past. Coming to you saying some shit. Boy, I don't know what that is, but that that last hour or like, there's just a range. It's like you peak and then you're coming down and then like a quarter of the way through that come down to a quarter of from the back end of the down. It's like right there, I fucking can grab my ass. Off the middle half of the down. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So, so yeah. What would you want to do? Yeah. I just imagine sitting on the couch fucking watching the walls melt. What? The track is good, but I get nervous being in public. I'm like, someone's gonna try to talk to me. I'll be like. Hey, how are you? Like, right there? So. Yeah, I don't know. I don't want them to be like, I always have this, like, irrational fear that they're gonna be like, who? This guy's fucking high. Call the cops. This guy's high. Like I'm an officer. Yeah, I know. You're under arrest. You have. Fucking, like, That's never happened. Hardly. I was anybody ever. But I think when Paul Stamets said that there was a guy who like the slight paranoia. That's it. There's a guy who like to go to the top of the mountain and just look at the view next to a campfire. I was like, that's it. That that'd be the coolest thing to do. I'll be real nervous about my friends falling off. Watch out, you can't fly that ever spot me at all. But I'll be nervous about you guys thinking you could fly. I got wings. Yeah. Oh, there is no death. I'll be. I'll be paralyzed. Nervous that you. Guys are going to do that. For no reason. You know, I've said. No, but anyways, yeah, that's a part of it. Time. Yeah. For sure. We'll begin. Yeah, but until next time, guys, enjoy your lives. Like, comment, subscribe share. Hit us up. We're here for you all. Hopefully you have a great rest of your evening day, morning. Week. Be a fucking protagonist. It's your story. When the story. When the day, when the week, when the life, when the battles. Baby. Come on, keep on pushing. It's on the other side, I promise is on the other side of that obedience and that discipline. Everything you want. Yeah, I. Run a marathon. One step at a time. That's it, that's it. One foot in front of the other, baby. That's it. Even if you're walking, even if you're walking, even if you're fucking walking. The only way to run a marathon. The only way you can do it. Yeah, I nobody out here doing a handstand marathon. So do a. Fucking bear crawl marathons. Oh, Christ. No, no. That's terrible. I can set a world record with. That heavy, powerful. Oh, I'm so bad. Oh, fuck that shit. Yeah. Until the. Other side.